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Sheepshead Closing Public Hearing and Impact Statement

Sheepshead Bay Impact Statement and Description of New School

Dear Sheepshead Bay High School and P811K@K495 Families:

This month, the Department of Education (“DOE”) announced its decision to propose the closure and replacement of Sheepshead Bay High School.

I am writing to inform you that an Educational Impact Statement (“EISs”) formally describing the proposal is now available on the DOE’s Web site at:  http://schools.nyc.gov/AboutUs/leadership/PEP/publicnotice/2011-2012/April2012Proposals. Hard copies of the EIS will be available at all schools’ main offices.

During a meeting on April 26, 2012, the Panel for Educational Policy (“PEP”) will vote on several proposals, including this one. If the proposals are approved,  Sheepshead Bay High School will close at the end of this school year, and a new high school will open at the beginning of the next school year in the building. All current students who have not graduated from Sheepshead Bay High School will
be guaranteed a seat and automatically enrolled in this new high school.

Before the PEP vote, all community members are invited to attend a joint public  hearing. At this hearing, you will have the opportunity to share feedback about this  proposal. The hearing is scheduled for:

March 28, 2012 at 6:00 p.m.
Sheepshead Bay High School
3000 Avenue X
Brooklyn, NY 11235

At any time, comments about the proposal can be directed to the Division of Portfolio Planning by phone at 212-374-0208 or by email to

14 comments to Sheepshead Closing Public Hearing and Impact Statement

  • trainman

    “Sheepshead Bay High School will close at the end of this school year, and a new high school will open at the beginning of the next school year in the building. All current students who have not graduated from Sheepshead Bay High School will be guaranteed a seat and automatically enrolled in this new high school.”

    Now let me get this straight. They’re closing down the school, opening up a new school in September at the same location, putting the same students that were in their freshman, sophomore and junior year back into the “new school”. At the same time offering all the teachers that were laid off from the “old” school to reapply for the “new ” school. ?????
    I’m not trying to be sarcastic here but will someone who is in the know, please explain to me how they expect different results? Speaking as a layman, this just looks like a bunch of smoke and mirrors to me.

    • Anonymous

      To me it sounds like the old “shake em up”. Have all the teachers reapply for their positions, this way the BOE can weed through the applications, pick the better teachers and get rid of the ones that were not pulling their weight and bringing the schools performance down. As for the students, it’s a wake up call, shape up or ship out! As for changing the name of the school, there’s your smoke and mirrors! SBHS will be forever known as one of the worst school in the city and under the new name everyone starts with a clean slate. be very interesting to see the performance rating next year under the new name.

      • trainman

        Anonymous, I need to agree with most of what you said. Undoubtably the school’s performance is dismal at best.
        I also feel that this may be as you suspect a way to weed out not only bad teachers, also the ones making the highest salary. To use the children as a tool in this situation is unconscionable.
        With all the noise the local and statewide governments are making about the exorbitant costs of union benefits (no mention about their own benefits) this may be another ploy to water down municipal workers benefits and salaries. Again, excluding their own pay and benefits as if we’re their “employees” and they are our bosses.

    • bagels

      From what I understand, there will be three new small academies housed in the same building with one principal.

    • Anonymous

      Instead of calling it Sheepshead HS, they going to call it Sh*tshead HS.

  • Anonymous

    Trainman, I will retract my statement about the students. It was put in my post without much thought. I young mind can only be molded properly with the right tools of teaching. It’s not the students fault for the poor lack of leadership at the school. Will salaries come into play, most likely. I worked for a company for 30 years and made a nice living, but when they merged with another company, they let me go and kept on a kid that made less than half my salary. As far as local, statewide governmant, school borad chancelors and so on, they want to trim the fat but don’t want to give up their pork so to speak. And you’re right, they believe we’re their employees. They need to remember they work for us. We voted them in, we can vote them out.

    • trainman

      Anonymous, my wife is a retired teacher and for 27 years I’ve heard enough stories to write a book. To blame one aspect of teaching is shortsighted. No one should expect a teacher who has access to a student an hour or so a day to be able to be the sole educator of that student. The teacher is only a small part in the equation of raising a child and that’s something that many parents fail to realize.
      Without parent involvement the child’s education suffers. Without dedicated teachers the child’s education suffers. Without administration involvement and proper supplies, the child’s education suffers.

      I believe with proper parental supervision and involvement, which would include periodic conversations with the teacher to discuss what needs be done to improve the child’s education, and parents following through with those recommendations they could produce miracles in the classroom.

      Without that they could close schools and open schools all they want and they could change teachers and administrators all they want and in the end nothing will change.

      For 40 years every new chancellor that came into office had a miracle solution for the educational system and for 40 years I have watched our multibillion dollar education system get worse and worse. This new scheme of charter schools and the like is just the latest pacification for the taxpayers and parents of the children who attend school.

      • Anonymous

        Well, you’ve certainly done your homework over the years. Mrs Trainman has taught you well, and you listened. I wish I had you’re knowlage of the school system. My kids may be grown and out of the house now, but if I knew what you know I could understand the system better. Maybe even help future students and their families.

        • trainman

          Anonymous, thanks for the compliment but I think you give me too much credit. I do feel that the most important thing in a child’s education is parent involvement.

          One incident my wife told me about was when she gave a child a B+ on her report card and on open school night the parents of that child asked my wife what does my daughter have to do to get an A. She wasn’t being facetious she was genuinely concerned and felt it was very important for her daughter to get in A. My wife explained that B+ was an excellent mark and yet her mother felt it was less than perfect.

          You may or may not agree with that mothers concerns but the fact is that that child, because of her parent’s involvement, will do exceptionally well in school no matter where that school is or who the faculty are. I also think a child’s education starts at an early age. Parents need to read to their children every day in their early years, years before they enter school. They’ll grow up to like books and read them because they enjoy reading. When I see and hear of what many parents do when they pick up their children from school is absolutely depressing. The child walks out of the school and trails behind her mother while the mother is talking on the phone or has earplugs in her ear listening to an iPod. Where is the discussion with that young child about the school day? Where is the interest? These same parents will be the first to condemn the teachers because of their children’s lack of interest in school.

          • chris

            Well said trainman!! I work for the DOE now and I have children in the school system. I have seen parents come up to school claim, “not my child” their child doesn’t fight with others or disrespect teachers. I have watched children graduate 5th grade and not know how to spell there name. I have seen parents say to teachers between the hours of 8 and 3 he/she is your problem don’t bother me. I have also seen children come to school not prepared for school in any way, sick with fever and parents leaving them in school until it is time to pick them up from school. How sad to think that teachers are the only ones blamed for the children not succeeding.

          • A Parent

            I agree with everything Trainman has said…I am a parent that goes to every parent teacher conference supporting the teacher & asking how my child could do better. But unfortunately not all schools/teachers are equal….if you compare the middle school my son goes to, to the one my nephew goes tg….they are worlds apart…my nephew’s school (a “gifted & talented” school)offers enrichment courses (language, arts), afterschool activities, and gives the children tools to succeed. My son’s school does no such thing. I was told my son’s assignments and tests would be posted on a website so that I could keep track of his progress….only 1, yes ONE of his teachers uses it consistently. My son’s school doesn’t offer a foreign language. My son has NO afterschool activities & he is forbidden to use the park next to his school until after a certain time. Test time….my nephew receives a “study guide”…..not my son. I don’t even know what the test is on. I know my son has a responsibility to know this but coming from grammer school to middle school, perhaps they could teach them….ease them into what the “should” be doing….its like they were dropped into this environment & said sink or swim. Every school should be a “gifted & talented” school…offering the same opportunities to succeed in every school. Why do some schools have and others don’t?! Is it the school leadership or the lack of buy in by the teachers? It makes no sense to me.

  • Bun-Bun

    I feel bad for the teachers. Its been increasingly harder for them to teach with policies that force their hand in passing students with poor academic skills. Rather than re-evaluate teaching methods to bring up the quality of education as a whole, the city seems to find it convenient to lower standards to appease the large percentage of failing students. There’s only so far the bar can be lowered. Eventually the system will bottom-out.

    Punishing teachers who’s hands are already tied isn’t the answer. I’ve seen plenty of examples while in high school where teachers have been forced to hand out decent grades to kids who barely know how to read, because policy dictates that a certain percentage of students MUST pass or their jobs or on the line. It doesn’t matter if those kids have only been in class a handful of times. People just need someone to blame other than themselves.

  • Bun-Bun

    I also spent two years at Kingsborough. While there were plenty of students there who took their education seriously, it was appalling how many people expected to graduate with any type of degree without being able to properly write an essay or do simple math.

    The college is also doing away with its math and reading placement tests. Rumors I’ve heard from students going there say that remedial math and English courses could become mandatory. Does anyone realize how depressing that is? Even a community college is still an educational institution. So much of the population entering the college needs to take remedial courses, that they don’t expect college students to know how to divide numbers? Know what a fraction is? Or even write a simple sentence with even a vague sense of grammar? That’s our future right there.

  • Gene Kohl

    Now that the high school is closed where is the new one being built?