Updated: NYPD Investigation

The altercation was a half-mile from the beach, the police said.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/mans-body-found-on-brooklyn-beach-after-fight-brother-wounded/

126 comments to Updated: NYPD Investigation

  • Anonymous

    I think that you shouldn’t allow commenting on this site. It just generates rumors and hate and we don’t need that. Just report your stories and leave it at that.

    • Anonymous

      I agree! So many people have left posts on here before reading the facts as they came in. They jumped to all sorts of conclusions and were more concerned about the reputation of a bar, pointing fingers and cursing each other than they were about Tim, Ryan and their family.

      • doziebotz

        If he didn’t allow commenting, he wouldn’t generate money from all the hits he would get on the website. The only time he deletes a comment when it affects him personally.

  • Rip mes

    I love u so much kid rest in pice u will be miss so much someday I c u again love u my brother rip Timmy mes love u for ever

  • Bill

    Sounds like a series of unfortunate events. One brother dead at the point, the other stabbed on the avenue. Maybe Timmy was sold bad drugs and OD’ed from them. Maybe Ryan confronted the dealers about the drugs and they stabbed him. Timmy may hve not drowned, he may have just OD’ed on the beach. He was wet, but maybe the tide didn’t take him. All speculation on my part, I know, but it is plausile.

    • gene

      maybe maybe maybe. maybe not.

    • Dennis G

      Why would the kid leave his brother dead on the beach to confront the dealers, and why would he not have informed someone that his brother was dead before he did so. Do you realize that at least 6 hours elasped between the stabbing and beating of Ryan and the discovery of Timmy’s corpse.
      There are some very fundemental facts missing here. Let the investigation play out and stop tourting yourselves and the Murray family. Further, shut down this site for a week out of respect.

  • Bill

    We’ll have to wait for the autopsy report. If Timmy had water in his lungs, then he was still alive if he was pulled in the water, if there was no water in his lungs, then he died on the beach in his sleep.

  • Anonymous

    This is the most disgusting website I have ever seen. First the editor put an insensitive picture of the deceased on it ignoring all consideration for the family and disregarding anyone’s feelings. Second he then adds a picture very similar now with the body covered (not really much of a difference). The site is also filled with false information that exaggerates rumors. In addition, try reading posts before allowing them to be associated with your name. This blog and postings are a reflection of the audience you write to and the business you run. To top it all of you gave the names and addresses of people, said warrants were issued when they weren’t and allow filth language to be published on your site. From what I have heard about the editor to begin with you are not a reflection of either neighborhoods or human beings. I feel horrible for the family that has to endure all of this pain as well as deal with the nonsense of this site.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you!!!! See something alot of people agree on!! First a bar fight, that picture, then everyone in the neighborhood bashing eachother!!!! Soo sad and for what??????

    • no difference

      The picture in question was removed at the request of the family. The replacement picture is the same one used across multiple media outlets about this story. The police were infact at the location stated. Allowing of comments is also a common practice against multiple websites. The problem most people have is that its reflective of GB. This website does the same as sheepshead, marine park, daily news, post and so on. Most of the comments made here are by people who don’t live in the beach and come on here just to irritate us. Before anyone goes on a rant about me being a GB.net sympathizer is have no problem admitting that I do know the editor but i have also had a family members picture posted on this website so I have been on both sides of the fence. And for those wondering yes the family members pic is still up. The editor of this site does nothing that any other media outlet does. If you don’t believe me take a peek at NBC’s website.

  • Bill

    True Gene, that’s why I said maybe, we just don’t know yet. But let me ask you a question. If you killed someone, or had something to do with his death, would you stick around and dump the body, or would you leave as fast as possible so as not to be seen?

  • Anonymous

    I know no one is going to like this post, but Timmy and Ryan were no angels and except for a VERY few close friends, i’m sure no one knows what went on inside the walls of their house. Maybe the parents epected this one day. I know from experience with my brother in the 60’s and 70’s. He was a junkie and tore the family apart. He stole money, was stabbed several times, and was arrested several times. We all figured he would be dead before his 30th birthday. Well, my brother is alive and well because he got help! He now has a great job and owns his own house and has been sober for 35 years.

    • Debra

      With all due respect, who are you to judge anybody??? My friend Kevin has to bury his son Timmy and has his other son in the hospital—these comments are disgusting, heartless, and personally people should be posting their condolences, respect and support….Stories about drugs, etc…it doesnt matter what happened—what matters is a life was taken–lets try to focus on that–think of his mom and dad–do u think they need to be reading all this shit and crap you guys are posting—have a heart…delete your disgusting posts and perhaps write something supportive….

      • Anonymous

        Deb, no body took his life, he took it himself and yes my heart does out to his parents

        • Debra

          no need 4 that 2 be posted–were u next to him–do u know that for 100% sure–i just think its really in bad taste to post whats being posted–i think its awful…….

        • Christine

          really he took his own life thats why there is bruising all over his body gets your facts straight and stop listening to these damn rumors i am a very close friend and to have this happen 3 blocks from my house and so vilently is heart breaking no they might not have been angels but are you your prob an addict to something but y does all this shit happen hello is this not a wake up call things like this go on all over but when it goes on in ur neighborhood such a close community to young adults or people u know take a stand and help do something bout it dont just sit back and talk shit behind no name make sure it dont happen again and have some damn respect for others as well as urself cause posting shit like this is disrespectful in so many ways n u just degraded urself more so then u already were!!!!!! thank you and have a lovely day!

          • gucudsbbff

            Punctuation is ur friend. A period or a comma now and then wouldn’t kill u, and it would certainly make ur rambling easier to understand.

        • Anonymous

          @Anonymous:
          took his own life? so i guess he stabbed himself….morons on this site

    • anonymous

      That’s what I am talking about…There is help out there if you are willing to ask for it. And want it before you just become another statistic.. To Debra I do feel for the families loss, and many other lives will be taken before you are older.. All some of us are doing is trying to save lives. And get people to realize drugs kill..Please grow up and save your friends before they die..Not just mourn them when they are gone.

      • Debra

        i am 45 years old—im old enough to know–regardless of how a person dies–no need for these disgusting comments to be written—i am very opinionated–i know kevin murray the dad really well who does not need to read this crap on facebook–he needs support, positive things to be posted—so lets see what we can do as a community to support this family–not talk bad about this family, not post horrible things–if u have nothing nice to say to the murray family–then u need to post nothing at all…..

  • anonymous

    While I agree the first reports lead to 100+ speculative, sometimes stupid comments..The facts so far lead to a drug related incident..The real problem in this neighborhood is. DRUGS,DRUGS AND MORE DRUGS…Ask yourself WHO IS USING ?,WHO IS DEALING?.And most important what can you do about it ? This, and the last death should be a wake up call for all of us….I wrote something last time about growing up in GB in the 1960’s By the time I came home from the Navy service I had lost 20-25 kids I grew up with, to those drug years and it is sad….Wake up children!!!

    • Anonymous

      No disrespect Debra, but drugs and partying is the reason Timmy is dead and ryan is in the hospital. My condolences do go out to the family and friends. But lets be realistic here, you knew they were into drugs. So don’t throw stones.

      • Debra

        not throwing stones at al–reread what i wrote—drugs and partying are not how i know them at all–im a little older–however, no one should be posting shit like that–its rude, its cold, he has parents and a family that will read all of this—lets remember the positive and not dwell on the negative—hes gone now–no need for all this disgusting stuff to be written—-it needs to stop right now—

        • Anonymous

          I would like for 1 of the 3 people who dislike to to explain why this is one of the posts that make sense

      • Debra

        i wish u would delete this disgusting and very disrespectful comment–thats why you are anonymous–not respectful enough to let yourself be identified—just delete it–and perhaps think of his parents who need support now—god, this website is making me sick tonight—-i cant believe what people post–however, my anonymous friend, think twice before you post again–think about if it was you and your parents—i would love to see your comment deleted—and why are you anonymous?? explain that please…debra..friend of murray family from marine park—-not anonymous…

        • jeannie

          in response to debra…You go girl! I can’t understand the neighborhood reaction to this tragedy. and yes this certainly is a tragedy. Before this is over there will be at least one more family reeling from the loss of still another life in prison! NO GOOD WILL COME OF THIS. And what kind of satisfaction does one get by posting derogatory remarks anonomously? To whoever posted the comment “anonomously” about the Murray family, “don’t spit in the wind”.Enough of that.I pray that God gives them the strength to weather this storm in hopes of seeing Timmy again in the next life.He was very loved by many and will remain in their hearts and their minds.That you cannot take from them!

        • Anon

          if you have a problem with anonymous posts, then please post your last name, e-mail and website (even link your facebook) as the site suggests.

          • Anonymous

            I definitely have a problem with these posts–no need to give u all my info—at least im not anonymous–im a good friend of the family just looking out—would never leave my last name, e mail and website–r u nuts—hope 2 c u at the funeral….try posting something nice…

        • Gb girl

          How is Ryan doing now? I hope he is recovering from his injuries although I know the family will never fully recover from the loss of their child/ brother…my heart goes out to the family n friends of the Murray family..

  • Anonymous

    Wow! 20-25 friends gone because of drugs. I’ve lost a few in the early 70’s. Most OD’ed. One went to Chicargo to make a big score and figured he could make alot of money. Well something went wrong and he was thrown off a roof. He was only 19.

    • anonymous

      It is no lie, all OD’ed Also had one friend Barry who went back to Thailand, after Vietnam..Got caught and spent 30 years in a Thai Prison..Lucky for him, because they execute you in Thailand for trafficing.

  • Anonymous

    Atleast now the comments reflect the story the facts are out and its true that most people like to be the center of attention no matter how they get even if it by lieing and bashing people not everyone is a junkie and im sorry the word junkie is a terrible way to describe someone ADDICTION is a disease and no one should every call someone a junkie especially if you don’t know them or that they have died they still have family and you all need to step outside the box here everyone knows someone with a problem maybe you turn your back on them or act like you don’t know them laugh at them when they are acting stupid from whatever they are on. Remember this when you wanna post things about people or things that happen they have a family just like you have a family think how your family would feel reading some of the stuff that everyone wrote about these boys if it was your family reading it, still proud of yourselfs all you anonymous people.. I might be anonymous but I am not bashing or bad mouthing anyone and none of my other post are.

  • grams

    i was one of tim friends .just think people should not be throwing stone .we all have something to hide. and preats know the hurt the child bring.when u speak ill of the dead it comes back two fold. may god for give u.to tim my prays will be with u till the end.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry if you don’t like the outdated term “junkie” But that was what my brother was…a stoned cold junkie. I’m just very old school at times. Is the term “stoner” any better, no. Besides, when you were 10 years old, did you ever see your brother put a knife to your mothers throat and demand money for drugs? I did. He’s MY brother and i’ll call him what I want!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Junkie is not an outdated its just not nice to call someones dead son one. Im sorry for you and what you had to witness growing up but you lived with your brother you knew your brother and you do have every right to call him any name you want I just don’t think its right for people to disrespect the dead and his still living family. You don’t know what his family may have gone through with him if they tried to help or what. And I’m sure that your mother no matter what he did it broke her heart to see what had become of him so you can be bitter but it is not right to speak like that of some one you don’t know. If anything I would hope your childhood only made you a stronger person with alil more will power to stay on the right path and makeyour mother proud.

  • Annon

    I’m a little perplexed, if one of my family members was dead and the other stabbed, I’d be damed if I would be on this website to see what others are saying. This would be the last thing I would be thinking of you. Just tells you a little bit about the personalities we are dealing with.

    • Anon

      You are right ! I don,t believe the family even knows or cares right now what is written on
      g.b.net !!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Who said they are reading this nonsense? Again people are judging without any facts. Making up their own stories. Everyone should have some compassion. They may have had problems but who doesn’t? This is not a time for negativity but for compassion and kindness.

  • ant

    i was one of ryans closes friends threw the years and was a really good friend with timmy yeah pple do have problems there mother and father did have problems but no one can say what happened timmy was a funny bastid was a great kid to have a blast with weather he was on or off drugs did not matter the kid was great person not a person that would let you starve if you were hungry ryan has had alot of fualts alot of problems but he still had some what a good heart i was ryans best friend at one point we were inseperable i am not gonnna listen to any of what you all have to say some one said “junkie” <– that term was used for pple who do not care about friends or family only drugs… i have been in there home and have hanged around there family sure they werent angels but no one should use that in a statement because no one is an angel so do me a favor if you choose not to say somthing good dont say nothing at all to the person who posted the image of my friend in a bag take it down as it will only offended me and others that have been close to his family and his family aswell

  • Debra

    everyone really needs to stop writing about the negative and throwing this kid under the bus–write about the positive things u remember about him–WORD UP!!!!! im pissed–you people r really horrible—he has parents that will read this–let his memory be a good one—remember the positive—-stop writing all this crap about the negative—-it is what it is—my god…..it makes me sick to read what people r posting—karma–what comes around goes around–you write terrible things about someone-it will come back to you—think before you write–let the memory of him be a good one–post sympathy, post condolences, post regrets, come on now……..enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! debra from marine park—and im not anonymous—–im telling u who i am….

    • Debro

      Debra…..is anonymous….please use your first and last name and then we will know who you are. Debro, not known to the deceased family, and I am from GB.

      • Anonymous

        I dont have to leave my last name–i gave u debra from marine park–enough said–and i too am very, very good friends with the dad kevin for many years—everyone needs to stop defending g.b. and m.p. the neighborhoods had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS……I hope all u anonymous people show up at the funeral and show your respects….instead of writing all this crap….

  • Blonde

    Most of you people are so insensitive and be ashamed of yourselves….I know of these boys….and the family. A mother lost a beautiful young son and another one is in serious condition….that is what is going on here! Pray for the mom and the rest of the family so that they may find the strength to accept what has happened. My condolences to the Murray Family and all the friends and loved ones~

  • SE

    Timmy ODed bought the drugs all by himself nobody forced him to buy or take the drugs the person with him took drug test came out negative what ever happened afer the friend left and his other friends from fillmore ave left him sleeping there nobody knows other than ??? His brother Ryan his friends or the 7 people that fought with them so everybody get there facts right this is the lastest update the person that was with him first was questioned and RElEASED Remember Ryan will fill in a lot of these questions when he gets better so everybody shut the f__k up the people from gb are the biggest drug dealers gb has more drugs than pfizer let the NYPD do there job than make all the comments you want my prayers are with the family that lost a son and is worried about the other one hope he gets better

    • Christine

      um you started off and ended off good but u did what ur telling everyone not to u juged the beach he is in stable condition and by the way timmy had bruises all over his body that show he was in a fight so untill its proven he oded dont talk cause im going to laugh when ur proven wrong stop listening to damn stupid rumors and if ur going to post shit get the facts straight

    • Anonymous

      According to “that” girl …. she never took a drug test …. so, again, to everyone, stop talking unless you have actual facts …. and then you should be talking to the police … not some ridulous blog.

  • Franklin

    The below excerpt was taken from the article. My question is this. Is this girl a person of interest? Why would she leave him at the beach to go tell his brother that they scored drugs. Maybe she had something to do with his death. Again speculation. There are so many scenarios on what could have happened. Let the investigation takes its course and dont speculate on what happened until all the facts come out. Bottom line is one young live is lost and another hangs in the balance. And the families life has changed forever.
    Tim Murray left with a girl to score drugs. The two went to the beach and got high, the girl told police, the source said.

    She told police she then left him at the beach and went back to the party to get Ryan Murray and tell him about their drug score, the source said.

  • rip timmy

    first off there is a whole bunch of different stories about what happened, if you remember they said that his body had signs of trauma and bruises, he didnt do that to himself!!! whoever this dirty crackwhore is that told that story of him falling asleep and then they left him there is covering up the truth because she was involved in what really happened, and what kind of friends just leave someone where they left him if he just fell asleep, this is all bullshit, timmy was murdered by some lowlives and the truth will come out soon enough

  • travel2692

    what I don’t understand is why everything has to turn in to a rant about GB….drugs and dealers exist everywhere..even more so in the more upscale neighborhoods. If you dont like the beach stay away…and stop dumping everyone in the beach in the same pot..like every neighborhood everywhere…there are issues…just seems more contained because it is a small close knit neighborhood….like my friends and family, we have never bought, sold or done drugs….all my neighbors and friends have raised good kids who have gone on to do well in their lives..some stayed here to raise their families..some have gone elsewhere…If you just come on here to speculate or rave or rant, stay off here! this is a terrible tragedy no matter how it happened….drugs are about the worst thing that can invade a family…and no matter who these people are, two young men are dead and parents should never have to bury their children. wish the family condolences,,say a prayer for them…and if you know someone on drugs, try and help them..if you have facutal information, call the police..if not, keep your mouth shut!

  • Pauline Spinelli-Brandt

    My sincere condolences and prayers are with the Murray family.

  • anonymous

    I remember 10 years ago when it seemed that every other “kid” in GB was on crack. An stroll through the neighborhood would always verify this. These days, its methamphetamine, and its out of control. This is not under age drinking, nor is it pot. The neighborhood was once a paradise yet is now a disaster area. The “good” people who close their eyes to this, or who dont control their own narcotic addicted children do not have a clue. As much as the police can help, this is more a product of bad parenting. Of course there are druggies in MP, and bergen beach, and everywhere else. The fact that so many people from those “other neighborhoods” constantly return to the Beach to score their methamphetamines says a lot, doesnt it? Instead of a slew of nasty comebacks to this thread, how’s about a real concerted effort to restore GB to the paradise that it once was? If we controlled our own kids, we wouldnt be the focal point for bad people to come and score their narcotics. Just look at how our own wonderful children tormented the chinese laundry lady.

  • joey (gb)

    The girl did not leave him there sleeping and she never ever met Ryan which he will tell hopefully when he recovers his friends from the party went back and left him sleeping so I do know these are facts she was.questioned drug tested and released so get that fact right she went back to the party to tell his friends that she had a curfew and he wanted to stay there another.fact please let the NYPD to there job that’s what we pay them to do we also myself will find out the truth stop all of this give this family a little peace this will be all sorted out my prayers are with the whole family

    • Anonymous

      You do not know the facts. She did leave him there. She did know Ryan. She admitted to doing drugs. So please stop with your rumors. Let the police, and not reporters and gossips, do their jobs.

      • joey (gb)

        @Anonymous:
        Yes she did leave him because he wanted to stay. She went back to his friends and told them where he was and wanted to stay there. His friends went down there and.left him sleeping, what happened after that his friends or his brother will fill in everything from there. I just hope that his friends will tell the police what happened. His brother, which I pray is getting better will fill in a lot of details. I don’t know either of the boys, but It’s not gb or mp fault. Everybody is blaming everybody, putting down the places where we where born grew up and many raised families in these neighborhoods. Let’s all just send our prayers to the family that is going through something that all of us pray that it won’t happen to another family. There is so much hate. I grew up in flatbush 45 years ago now live in gb and lived in mp, there was never fighting with guns and knives. It’s embarrassing to read all of this negative gossip. Again my prayers are with the family I pray for you and yours.

  • Anonymous

    My thoughts and prayers are for the Murray Family.
    Has anyone thought about taking a collection for them?
    GB has done this in the past i.e.for fires,thefts,etc.

    Any word about services for Timmy???
    Any word how is Ryan doing???

    I am sure our support would be greatly appreciated in this time of need!

    Let us all get over the “bashing” and think of what is needed!

  • Anonymous

    A man falls asleep on the beach a few feet from the water and his friends leave him there! I don’t believe that for a second. In my teens and early 20’s, if a friend passed out from drinking too much, or doing drugs, we let him sleep it off and checked on him from time to time to make sure he was alright. Once he was sober enough, we took him home and made sure he was okay. Most times the parents let us know how angry they were with us, but also thanked us for making sure thier kid was safe. Granted, that was in the early 70’s…but I guess the times they are a changing.

  • Anonymous

    You know I’ve smoked a lot of grass
    O’ Lord, I’ve popped a lot of pills
    But I never touched nothin’
    That my spirit could kill
    You know, I’ve seen a lot of people walkin’ ’round
    With tombstones in their eyes
    But the pusher don’t care
    Ah, if you live or if you die

    God damn, The Pusher
    God damn, I say The Pusher
    I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

    You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
    With the love grass in his hand
    Oh but the pusher is a monster
    Good God, he’s not a natural man
    The dealer for a nickel
    Lord, will sell you lots of sweet dreams
    Ah, but the pusher ruin your body
    Lord, he’ll leave your, he’ll leave your mind to scream

    God damn, The Pusher
    God damn, God damn the Pusher
    I said God damn, God, God damn The Pusher man

    Well, now if I were the president of this land
    You know, I’d declare total war on The Pusher man
    I’d cut him if he stands, and I’d shoot him if he’d run
    Yes I’d kill him with my Bible and my razor and my gun

    God damn The Pusher
    Gad damn The Pusher
    I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

  • LINDA (MP)

    THANK YOU TO JOEY WHO HAS ENOUGH COURAGE TO ATLEAST ENOUGH COURAGE TO AT LEAST LEAVE HIS NAME ON THIS POST. UNLIKE THE REST OF YOU COWARDS WHO WANT TO RUN YOUR MOUTHS, WITH HAVING THE LEAST KNOWLEDGE OF ALL. YOUR PRAYERS SHOULD BE WITH THE MURRY FAMILY. INSTEAD YOU IGNORANT FOOLS RUN YOUR MOUTHS ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU DON’T KNOW

    • anonymous

      thanks, Linda from MP! glad to see you stand up for those like you who left your name. not like me, anonymous. No one will ever know who I am. You, on the other hand are a brave hero… after all, how many Linda’s can there be in MP? two? (sheeeeesh, nothing as bad as a hater trying to teach us heathens to be better…. nothing!)

  • Steve

    Linda, Did anyone ever tell you it’s rude to type with cap locks on? Besides, your punctuation, sentence structure, and your attitude is terrible! Thank God you have spell check, it’s your only saving grace.

  • Cathy

    I am not from Gerritsen Beach, but from Marine Park, and I’m a little confused. I go to Gerritsen Beach quite a bit, mainly since my children’s pediatrician is there and they love I Scream U Scream, but I don’t recall feeling unsafe there AT ALL. Look, maybe its because I’m not going to the bars so I’m missing a lot, but I don’t see where GB or MP are Skid Road.

    • Mike

      Thank you Cathy, most of the comments you see claiming to be from Marine Park or bergen beach are probably from sheepshead bay and are just getting kicks by ranting on this website. they do it all the time. We all have our “problem child’s” it is not a GB problem alone.

    • anonymous

      That’s because most of the idiots have never been to East New York or the South Bronx in the 80’s to see what skid row really is.

  • Paul

    you people from marine park should be ashamed of yourself. This is how you talk about people that were killed?

    I dare you to say that crap to my face and I will smack you in the teeth

    I dont want to see any of you lowlifes from marine park coming into my neighborhood and ruining our property value.

    I will kick your face in if I ever catch a marine park lowlife walking into Gerritsen beach

    • anonymous

      Paul, stop “your” kids from dealing methampetamines on the avenue and that should end the problem of people coming in from other neighborhoods!

      • anonymous

        lol,. or maybe the dregs just come into the neighborhood for the ambiance of the bantry hell hole. or, perhaps even for your friendly demeanor?

      • Paul

        How bout stop your kids from buying and doing the meth and that will end all problems of them coming here to buy from “my” kids! (lightbulb)

        • Anonymous

          why does everyone keep blaming the parents, majority of the drug user’s are over 18 and the parents dont have any say in what they do.. i live in gerritsen beach and walk these streets all the time almost on a daily basis .. yes its true you see the occasional person under the influence of somthing but thats like 1% of the time its safe and quite and a nice place to live.. all you people are crazy with you opinion’s on gerritsen beach..

    • Cathy

      Paul, people from Marine Park on not inherently lowlifes, and considering the fact that this is the web people may be misrepresenting themselves to instigate problems. This was a terrible event, a nightmare for all involved, and some comments here I could see getting a person riled up. Still, why feed the trolls?

  • Herschel

    One nice thing about us orthodox flocking into the neighborhood, we dont allow our children to consume or deal drugs. Not bad thing for property values, too.

    • Anonymous

      That’s hysterical.. just to inform you I have family members who are narcotic’s detectives and they tell me all the time that the biggest drug smugglers in new york are orthodox sephardic and hasidic jews.. so i dont know who your trying to fool.. they may not use the drugs but they pray on the rest of society to buy them so they can feed there own families… shame on them … THATS A FACT .. GOOGLE IT !!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    We’re glad you live in Bergan Beach too!! Now, instead of a rehab, why don’t you start a Bergan Beach website so you CAN STAY THE HELL OFF OURS. We are going to open a malt shop and all wear poodle skirts from now on. We promise, if only you will mind your own business.

  • Anonymous

    @Hershel….after what happened to Lieby Kletzky by one of YOUR people…you have the nerve to come on here and pass comments?

    • Herschel

      That poor kid was murdered by one sick individual. And he should be dealt with strictly and severely. We are a very peaceful group. Crime in Leiby’s neighborhood is among the lowest in the city, and we certainly keep a close eye on our youth, in spite of this terrible savage incident. What I see when I drive through this neighborhood does not bid well for it. Its terrible what goes on here. Maybe some day you’d like to read some of the “love letters” that I receive on my doorstep from my kind and understanding, racially tolerant neighbors in Gb!

      • Anonymous

        @ Herschel, Ha, Ha, Ha nice joke!!!!!

      • Cathy

        Herschel, THAT could happen anywhere. My husband and I are an interfaith couple (he’s Jewish and I’m Catholic) but with my very Jewish last name people just assume I am too. I actually overheard a neighbor refer to ME with an anti-semitic slur!

      • Michael Gregory

        @Herschel: Herschel, when I am in the neighborhood, no one is out, the place is deserted, i’m not sure what your talking about when you say you see terrible things…..

      • UnknownN

        First off, boro park has plenty of drug addicted Jew people that no one speaks of. Children of all ages walk the streets with no parents. Children go to Maimonides hospital on Purim extremely intox. Jewish children terrorize non Jewish residense for real estate reasons. The shomrim frame and profile anyone who isn’t Jewish. The list can go on and on.

        • Anonymous

          i worked for a very riligious Sephardic jew and majority of the emploies were of Sephardic and Ashkenazi jews, and let me tell you i have had friends from all different race’s and religions and these people topped them all i have never in my life seen a group of people that party harder then them.. they would tell me stories about using hard core drugs serious alchol abuse and insane sexual behavior i was in shock i always though the jewish people were very reformed.. Ha was i mistaken.. that doesnt however make them bad just means there human we all are no one is perfect everyone has flaws.. but it taught me never judge a book by its cover

      • oh no you didn't

        @Herschel: I think “Herschel” is a troll, and is not what he represents himself as

        • UnknownN

          I agree! But I don’t like when people say they have a perfect race or what not. Just except that they all have flaws.

  • Gail

    Debra. I understand where you’re coming from. But I suggest u stop writing and reading posts on here b/c you’re just getting yourself pissed off & people are going to keep writing regardless. Thats what this site is all about. So just walk away, u said what u had to say so just leave it alone. Better for your own sanity. Btw there’s more ppl from out of Gb who comment here. Another fact is, dealers are not from Gb neither were users in this case. Gb has a lot of “good hang out spots” hence the Point (Beach Area) to get high. Which is the only reason Gb was involved. There’s drug problems everywhere including GB, Mp, bergen, mill basin etc… So stop pointing fingers. It just so happens in This case ALL neighborhoods were involved in some way. Also, I really dont understand the story that was reported it doesn’t make sense at all. It’s as if a 12 year old wrote it… There’s too many missing info to even write this story again so why even bother mr. Gb.net?

    • GerritsenBeach.net

      This is a daily news article.

      • Gail

        Written by?? Is it taken from other sources? It’s just hard to understand the actual story, but then again nothing about the story makes sense. So anyway you write it, would sound bizarre. I’m sorry, I take it back.

      • Kevin Murray

        45271″>GerritsenBeach.net:

        The news did not put any photos up!!!! You should be ashamed of your self!! You consider your self a Neighborhood kid? You call your self a jourlinist? I call you the biggest ass hole in all of Brooklyn!!!!This site makes me sick and so does everyone on it!! The whole neighborhood is talking about this site and not to mention taking photos from it and making fake facebook shit. So the family does know about it and just makes this terrible thing harder to deal with. I will be talking to the right people to try and have this site shut down. YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!!! Kevin Murray JR

    • Anonymous

      @Gail:
      The dealer was from GB FACT he is locked up now at the 61. That story will never be posted on this site!!

  • Gail

    Paul. Really? I’m from GB and that’s not necessary. Obviously u and many others on here have some pent up anger. I suggest u take it elsewhere. This really isn’t the place for it. Gb sells, Gb does drugs, marine park deals & does drugs. It’s everywhere & inevitable. The only way u can stop it is in ur own homes. One kid at a time. They def need a place to hang out to keep them out of places like the bantry. That’s been a long overdue problem in these 2 neighborhoods. In a time like this Gb & Mp should be coming together in a positive manner, not fighting eachother. Just take a second and think… I’m SURE you all have a close family member or friend who has died by using drugs either directly or indirectly… If this was his or her picture with their body laying on the beach would u want ppl to comment like this about them?? No… So just stop. Enough already. Come together and do something about it.

    • Sean

      Thanks Gail, you hit the nail on the head. We should not be even remotely interested in what happens in other neighborhoods. Instead, we should be focused on cleaning up our own home front. We do have some bad kids around here and could really use a heavy dose of responsible parenting. This was once a great place and can still be once again. We do need to work together to make it happen. Stabbings and drug dealers and all that crap should not define us. There are so many good people here. I hope we can once again shine! god bless.

  • Anonymous

    Herschel

    I suggest that you watch the movie Holy Rollers before you say that your children don’t deal drugs. It’s based on a true event in Williamsburg about the orthodox dealing drugs.

    • Herschel

      Oh, a movie about orthodox drug dealers? And then what? Any area can have its bad people. Just take a drive through any orthodox community and compare it to what you observe in this neighborhood. You wont like what you see. You have an epidemic in this neighborhood with violent drug addicted youth. You have bad guys coming here from all over to pick up their drugs from our local youth/dealers, and its far from under control! Just take a walk through williamsburg or boro park… you will be absolutely safe, my friend!! Can you tell me that I can walk through GB, in my religious clothing, and not be harassed? Come on, now!

      • Michael Gregory

        @Herschel: I suggest everyone read “Unchosen: The Hidden Lives of Hasidic Rebels” by Hella Winston, really intriguing book….

      • Anonymous

        That’s hysterical.. just to inform you I have family members who are narcotic’s detectives and they tell me all the time that the biggest drug smugglers in new york are orthodox sephardic and hasidic jews.. so i dont know who your trying to fool.. they may not use the drugs but they pray on the rest of society to buy them so they can feed there own families… shame on them … THATS A FACT .. GOOGLE IT !!!!!!

        • UnknownN

          They are into all the same stuff that everyone else gets into. Drugs, burglaries, prostitution, porn, etc. Don’t buy into the nonsense they put out.

        • Herschel

          wow, and your “relatives” that are on the NYPD, they report to you about all the orthodox community crime, yet its never in the papers? It is a fact that the orthodox community of borough park has among the lowest crime rates in the city. You can drive down our streets and you will not find stoned out youth and all of the garbage that you see on Gerritsen Avenue late at night. You are so concerned with “jewish” crime, with your fictious “facts” yet you fail to see what is right in front of you. The youth of this neighborhood is drug addicted! All sorts of dregs come in and out of the area at all times of the night to buy their poison, people get beaten and stabbed, and worse, here, yet you see a “jewish” problem? Oh wait, maybe its not the Orthodox.. maybe its those Marine Park people? or worse.. Mill Basin people? or, Bergen Beach people? Our neighborhood is a cesspool, and you, like most that I encounter here, seem to be all too willing to point out what is wrong with the REST OF THE WORLD. WAKE UP, the neighborhood is going down in flames!! This is not an outside problem!

  • Beach Rat

    When is someone going to ‘out’ the girl that was with Timmy?

    • Anonymous

      they said at one point a girls name in one of the articls “Bianca” but no last name .. Supposedly that was the girl who last saw timmy alive

      • Curious

        @Anonymous: So I have been followin this tradegy closely.. for personal reasons, but after 2 days of detailed searching, have yet to find an article that says the “girls” name.. So please show or tell me where I can find the article that says her name is Bianca… Or are you guessin, or puttin someone in a spot cause you have some other agenda… Just really curious.. Such a sad sad loss for the Murray’s fam, my condolences and prayers to family and friends… Especially Ryan, so sorry, you were tryin to defend your brother, regardless of the circumstances surroundin this… Always support your family in public, and only critisize amaongst fam, only!!! RIP Timothy

  • The Neighbor

    Another sad tragedy happens again and my deepest condolences to the Murray Family ! Although this website should be limited to the hurtful comments left if that means removing ability to do so then DO IT.. its getting a little ridiculous now this site is turning into the old GB site Drama/Gb.com the maker is looking like a gossip queen! seriously

  • RIP MES !!!!! TIMMY MURRAY

    I feel if you dont know this kid no one whould be talking shit! no matter how ANY ONE LIVES THEIR LIFE no one deserves to be murdered!!!

    Our friend Timmy Murray was an acceptional friend, GREAT UNCLE!,GREAT SON,and BROTHER!!!

    Once the murders are found im sure its a WRAP in Brooklyn!

    Once this dirty stay out bum bitch who is covering shit up is discovered her too!!!!

    TIMMY WE LOVE YOU BRO! WE HAVE A TREE ALL DONE UP FOR YOU! I HOPE YOU SEE HOW MANY OF US TRULY LOVE AND MISS YOU!!!

  • Anonymous

    My thoughts go out to all the people negatively affected by the loss of these two guys. Hopefully this can be a lesson to people in our neighborhood not to abuse drugs and/or alcohol. I will not speculate but it is pretty cerain at this point that this would not have happened if drugs were not involved and I hope people can learn from it, although some of the things people have been saying have been atrocious.

    I would also like to defend my neighborhood a bit. I think most of the people here talking badly about the neighborhood are people who either do not live here or are the type of elderly conservatives who lived here when it was a “paradise” 5 decades ago. Fact is alcohol has always been an issue here especially around the bantry near where ryan was attacked. I’m not speculating that the bar was involed THIS time however because I don’t know. However that has never made the neighborhood particularly unsafe, except for the occasional wreckless driving incident, which is why in the past 5 years there have been strides in making the roads safer. However the neighborhood is very safe especially during the day, I never heard stories of innocent people attacked or mugged in the neighborhood and house robberies are either very infrequent or nonexistent. This is still a very good neighborhood to live in and this tragic but isolated incodent should not change perceptions about it.

    I would like to say though that the youth of this neighborhood though quite frabkly suck for the most part. I’ve grown away from most of my childhood friends because they wound up getting into the drugs, alcohol and partying lifestyle in highschool. The only reason I bring this up is because somebody mentioned that parents are not to blame but they 100% are. The reason I have never touched drugs or alchohol in my life is because I have great parents who did not let me go down that path.

  • Irish Kevin

    Now that this is such public news,and again my sympathy goes out to the Families. Well here goes the Property Values again.

  • neighbor

    the story is a tragedy my condolence goes to murray family.I lived in both neighborhoods for 60 years. Life is hard to figure out when things like this happens in your own backyard.GOD BLESS THEM ALL

  • Mark W.

    if you come to gerritsen beach from marine park to sell drugs then ultimately these tragic things will happen

    stay off of drugs kids and go to college and make something good of your life.

    • Anonymous

      @ Mark … that is so true ultimately we all make our own decisions, its doesn’t matter where we come from or how our parents raised us,my father was a drug addict and alcoholic and I am non of the above I work hard and teach my children to stay away from that stuff but only god willing will they follow my foot steps. no one knows what the future holds,

  • forever friend

    all this hate and rage! now we know timmy overdosed. such a tragedy. such a nice, if not troubled guy you were, timmy. i will miss you so much. i hope we never lose another prescious friend to drugs, but i also hope the dealer ses meets his fate real soon. dealers peddle nothing but death and destruction. be gone!

  • a beloved ex girlfriend

    I have known timmy since I am 19. We actually met one night while some girlfriends and him were doing drugs. It was all casual use, nobody was a junkie. Me and him started to get very close, and for years he loved me, and I him. In the past couple of years Timmy spun out of control with the drugs, the past year was the worst. It wasn’t just that he liked to party, he had no problem mixing things. I myself was close with Kevin, and Mrs Murray. I can’t imagine what they are going thru. It is aweful to say but, I saw this coming, and even tho a lot of his friends won’t admit it, they did too. I would be fed stories about how fucked up he was getting and it broke my heart. I babysat him when we were together, and as much as he loved me, he wanted to do his thing and not have to answer to “wifey”. What anyone who knew Timmy should be thankful for, is knowing him. He would give you the shirt off his back with no problem. As for this girl he was with, I doubt she had anything to do with his death. Everyone likes to paint the deceased as angels. You all remember when Timmy fell asleep at 7/11, he could have died then. Point is, Timmy danced with the devil for years, and this dance the devil won. As for Ryan, I know Ryan was stabbed for confronting the kids about giving his brother drugs, but I don’t think he knew the extent of how fucked up Timmy was. He probably heard “Timmy passed out at the beach” like he’s heard many times before, and looked for the persons responsible for Timmy getting high. I love Timothy Murray, and the entire Murray family. I am most concerned about Ryan, I know he will never be the same again.

  • my favorite timmy

    FYI Timmy DID NOT take his own life. Someone took it from him!!!

  • Christine

    really i live here and never touched a drug in my life um hun sorry to tell you i have a friend who moved out of bergan beach cause even the older landlord was dealing there were crack addicts at the house all the time and this was the heart of bergan beach and the landlord was born and raised when u become perfect then i wanna see u post something till them grow up come on thats so childish wow drugs oks who cares someone is hurt and someone is dead instead of acting younger then my almost 2 daughter grow up grow some balls do whats right and try to help maybe u can help save someones life!!!

  • SALLY

    im from GB give me a drug test right now !!! i’d pass with flying colors… also if i recall correctly not even 2 weeks ago in BERGEN BEACH a group of very young children were drinking and doing drugs on the roof of roy h mann and as a result of thier actions a 14 year old boy’s life was taken..

  • Christine

    grow up n the victims by the way are not from the beach there from wait ……. long pause the bergan beach mill basin area dont u feel dumb now talking how there trash from the beach and ur great in bergan well hunny there from the same place you are NOW HOW DO YOU FEEL

  • Anonymous

    Oh really the “good folks” @ bergen beach,are you kidding me? Please Skid row buddy you need a check up from the neck up. You honestly think their are no drugs in bergen beach. Give it a break. Drugs are everywhere even where you live.

  • you are a joke

    Bergen beach. I used to go to Bergen beach by the ball fields and park with my girlfriend and do all those lovely things teenagers with cars do and most of the other cars around us where filled with pot heads and underage drinkers. Most of the kids were Bergen beach residents (my girlfriend was one). So get off your high horse and wake up. Your area is no different then ours. The only difference is you don’t have a good website covering the area. Open your eyes.

  • gucudsbbff

    No they are not from Bergen beach/ mill basin….they are from Marine Park. Nice try, but u are wrong. Not saying anything about one neighborhood vs another, just simply that ur “facts” are incorrect.

  • Leanne

    YOU are a cesspool intoxicating this website, the victims and their family with your disgusting comments! You are such a coward…using the alias “Mickey Featherstone” who was a well known Irish Mobster in NYC who maliciously committed murder several times over. I think using this as your alias speaks volume of your integrity and the kind of person you are. Focus on your precious little neighborhood in Bergen Beach and stop polluting us. Thank you.

  • Gb girl

    That’s horrible to bring up that tragedy… all neighborhoods have deaths, drugs crime etc even Beverley hills…

  • anonymous

    @Leanne:
    i just love how your children supply half of south brooklyn with narcotics, yet many of you like to point out how screwed up the other neighborhoods are. pathetic!

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