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The police said Thomas Dunikowski of Marine Park, Brooklyn, fired after confronting unruly youths on the street where he lives. Read more: Two Teenagers Shot With Rifle in Brooklyn
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Shooting in Marine ParkOnly a matter of time before this happens here: The police said Thomas Dunikowski of Marine Park, Brooklyn, fired after confronting unruly youths on the street where he lives. Read more: Two Teenagers Shot With Rifle in Brooklyn 103 comments to Shooting in Marine ParkLeave a Reply |
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I want to shake his hand, stupid kids
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I’d like to shake some sense into you. Are you for real?
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sloopy grope your noodlez
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huh? what does that mean???
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Perhaps the holloween masses will think twice this year.
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Did that happen near Marine Park JHS? If so I grew up near there and kids have been hanging around the park for years especially near the handball courts off of Ave S. Part of the problem may have been in trying to get a quick PD response on what may have been a busy Saturday night. Going inside your house and picking up & firing an apparently unlicensed rifle may not have been the most intelligent response. These things eventually usually resolve themselves if left to run their course. If it’s a chronic problem well that’s a whole other issue that needs to be addressed with local pols & the police.
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According to the Daily News, “[t]he shooting started after about 30 teens hanging out on Dunikowski’s stoop on Stuart St. began knocking over garbage cans and vandalizing cars”. I’m not condoning the use of firearms, but if 30 teens doesn’t get the PD there, what will?
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/06/20/2011-06-20_mother_of_bystander_injured_by_gunman_who_shot_at_dangerous_brooklyn_teens_hails.html#ixzz1PqMsHI4A
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Its a chronic problem that entails hundreds of dollars of damages each year thats not PUBLIC!
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Let me preface my remarks by saying that the violent response by the homeowner in this case is totally inexcusable, but the fact remains that groups of teenagers have for some time now been able to congregate near the park, in the schoolyard of Good Shepherd, and multiple areas in the Beach, causing mischief and mayhem with little or no response from the NYPD. I realize that they do have their hands full with covering such a large area of Brooklyn, but as it has been proven in the past, these so called “minor” crimes and inconveniences often lead to more serious problems. Why have the police forgotten that cracking down on such quality of life infractions is what led our city out of the crime ridden darkness of the past. What I find even more stunning is that many times parents are willingly dropping their children off at these locations after dark when these areas are known to be closed for the evening, without any concern for the noise & disruption they cause for the neighboring families. Certainly the NYPD needs to step up and do the right thing in these cases, but it is ultimately up to the parents to insure that their children are not being disruptive and disrespectful to others.
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Sooner or later……
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You want to shake his hand? Are you for real ? Were talking about an adult shooting at children with a rifle. Kids get rowdy when adults are not present. It’s a fact of life. I’m sure you did it too.If it was some kid in your family I bet you would’nt feel the same way. What next ? Knifing people for jaywalking ?
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Depends on which kid.
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It took three calls before the NYPD responded to a gun being fired at people on the street. There is no excuse or explanation that will take care of that one. Every other thing the cops may have been doing should have been dropped for this – and wasn’t. Bloomberg has destroyed the NYPD.
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The 61 and the 63 suck.
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That’s the real question, why do the police not respond especially when there are multiple calls made by taxpayers????
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really?? teens provoke shooting? i usually agree w/ things on here,but this headline is horrible. a man takes a gun from his home and shoots on his block into a crowd? if this was a story about the other side of knapp street,we would be calling for his head. yes,the teens around here can be real bastards, but to take your gun and shoot ?? while you have your own kid and wife in the house?
this is a disgusting headline and you should be ashamed of yourself for your wording. i think perhaps you are enjoying the controversy you cause a little to much.please do what you have been doing for a long time now, talk about the goings on in the neighborhood in a fair fashion,don’t start w/ headlines meant to provoke reactions from your critics.
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The teens were destroying property and got into a physical confrontation with the shooter. They DID provoke the shooting. These kids are not afraid of much, that’s the problem. They are not afraid of their do nothing parents, and not afraid of their do nothing police. People are going to take the law into their own hands when mommy and daddy don’t know how to discipline and the police are too busy with taking advantage of drunk women to notice. The shooter was just dumb for shooting from his own window. He set himself up to get caught.
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These kids, particularly the one who was seriously wounded DID NOT start the fight, In fact it was the drunken Mr. Dunikowski who did. Have you read anywhere that those supposed hoodlem fought him back, after he hit one of them first? The answer is NO, because they didn’t. That just goes to show you who the real hoodlum is. It’s Mr. Dunikowski.
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Just out of curiosity: Who said the shooter was drunk? I haven’t read that in any of the reported accounts.
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I’m with you. He had a record of domestic violence, a history of drugs, cocaine, painkillers, pot. HE WAS A NUTJOB. Not to mention having an illegal, unregistered assault rifle in his house. And you jerks think he is justified in shooting into a crowd of teenagers? Because they were making noise? Have you all gone insane? Shame on you! He’s the crimminal here, not the kids.
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I know people are confused over this whole thing its not like he hosed them he shot at them and anyone else around. He used a semi auto rifle which that stated was a hunting rifle.. What does he hunt??
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dont call people crazy. these kids were out of control and needed to be taught a lesson.
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Don’t call people crazy he shot a rifle into a crowd of people. What would you call that.
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I call that self defense
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Self defense shooting in the back is not self defense maybe attempted murder
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This a prime example of the wrong use of deadly force..You, and even the police,are only able to use deadly force when your life is in danger…If this idiot was able to get to an upstairs firing position..And fire randomly, from a window, into a crowd, with a semi-automatic weapon…This does not constitute proper use of deadly force…He should have been charged with attempted murder amongst other crimes…Is this what people like the Dunikowski family are being celebrated for ? If so we are in serious trouble….
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Everyone needs to realize that this weapon is the same as an M-16. Does anyone, in their right mind think that any citizen needs to be packing that in their home? Or that it is necessary for hunting? Although, that’s what the NRA says. I believe in 2nd amendment rights, I believe it is meant for self defense or possibly even defense against the gov’t if that is necessary. I believe that is what the founding fathers were most concerned with. But there also has to be rational laws that keep these types of firepower out of the hands of hot heads with drug and alchohol issues.
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TOO BAD HE WASNT A BETTER SHOT!
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Too bad YOU weren’t walking by.
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How old were these kids ?? I heard 13-15 years old, maybe I’m nuts or missing something but don’t 13- 15 year old CHILDREN belong at home with their mommy and daddy at this time of night. Like I said maybe I missed the parenting course on caring for and supervising children.
As for the police taking forever to get to the 911 calls, 1st I bet there was a little border war between the 61 and 63 as to whose call it was, 2nd it was close to the change of shift and we all know what that means
I feel for the home owner but he didn’t need to be shooting up the street blindly from his window. On the other hand maybe Children Services needs to check on a few families and how they endanger their children by not providing shelter for them at night or not supervising them.
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these kids are in highschool, 16 yrs of age infact and im pretty sure this is what kids have to do at night when there is clearly nothing else for the youth to do in these neighborhoods.. what do they have, the movies ? thats great well that leaves them bored and on the streets looking for something to do and im sure if ur a parent or not… u dont stalk ur child to make sure their at the exact location they told u they were at…. dont blame the parents blame the crazy old bastard that tried to kill the kids
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if he called the police they would just climb into bed with him and sing him Bon Jovi songs
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lmao!!!
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There really are simple minded people on this website lately. I can not believe that everyone is so proud of this nut who fired 30 rounds into a crowd of kids,people just walking by and his own neighbors. There is something wrong here this is not the way to handle anything he pulled out a rifle not a gun he is a disturbed person. And to everyone bashing the cops not everyone of them climbed into bed with that lady some of them do take thier jobs serious. So basically what everyone is saying they will now take care of things themselves and not bothering calling the cops.
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A rifle is a gun!
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There is a big difference between those 2 types of weapons
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SHOULD’VE BEEN A BETTER SHOT—30 SHOTS FIRED–HE COULD’VE CLEAND UP THE KIDS HANGIN OUT ON AT LEAST ONE CORNER OF THE BEACH—HOPEFULLY THE NEXT HOMEOWNER IS A BETTER SHOT…ONE SHOT ONE KILL!!!!!!!!
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He would have to have been a REALLY great shot to have hit kids hanging out on a corner in the Beach all the way from Ave.S and Stuart Street, you troll. Why don’t you crawl back under your rock?
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It was Marine Park if everyone on this website can’t stand Gerritsen Beach heres an idea MOVE and stay off the website
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To those “Aghast” at teens provoking the shooting, clearly you do not live in this area. The kids are out of control, look at Halloween, the average person would be in jail for the things they get away with. The cops don’t do anything, the parents are too busy saying..”Not my Kid” and when there’s physical evidence, say video or pictures, they accuse the people catching their lovely antics of being a pedophile, amazing. Entitled, disrespectful, common courtesy is a thing of the past, just a matter of time. I heard some kids saying how they would “pop” someone for telling them to wait in line like everyone else, yeah,well someone got popped alright.
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Was someone out shooting on Halloween? I still don’t know why everyone is bring up the Halloween stuff, we did worst when we were kids and I am over 60 years old. That stupid stuff has been going on for years. Why don’t you venture over to the projects where people are getting shot and killed regularly than you have something to complain about.
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This man is no hero and to think he is you have to be ignorant and a morron. NOONE has a right to open fire at a crowd of teenagers(this is why we pay the cops with our tax money). For all of you idiots who support him he lives across the street from marine park junior high school, if he couldnt take the noise from the school would it have been ok to open fire on them,no i dont think so. All of you people at one point were hanging around the streets at this time. So dont critize these kids and say this idiot was right for shooting at teens and then cowardly hide behind his wife and child. Im sure this would be a completly different story if this was your child in this situation.
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I agree. He had a record of domestic violence. A drug history, problems with cocaine, painkillers and pot. He had an illegal ASSAULT rifle in his house. How can anyone defend his use of deadly force against teenagers for making noise?
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Thank God he wasn’t a good shot
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The only thing I dislike about the shooter, is that he did not seek out the parents of these wild teens and shoot them too.
Parents need to take responsibility for the uncouth and criminal actions of their kids.
When a teen is arrested for a crime, the parents should be arrested too.
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I believe the story said the “shooter” tried to tell the kids to move along and get away from his property. They were fighting and carrying on near or on his property and harassing his neighbor. There was also a claim that he called 911 a few times to report what was going on prior to confronting the mob which had no interest in respecting his family, his private property or the other people on the block. I do not think the correct course of action was to begin to shoot into the mob, however something can be said about respect for private property and the individuals God given right to feel safe in their own yard and house.
People are out of control and have no respect for others and their property. This seems to be a gross over reaction, but I was not there being harassed by a mob of punks on my own property without any response from the police. I will tell you one thing, I bet there are 30 kids from the area that will never act the fool again when someone they are trying to intimidate with their wilding tells them to take a hike. Sounds like they tried their tough guy antics on the wrong guy and he upped the ante. Too bad lives had to be ruined in the course of this.
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Maybe the parents of the 15 year kid you know should be reported to Child Welfare as they are obsviously failing to properly supervise their 15 year old child who is out running the streets at 11:30 at night. I highly doubt they knew where the lovely was hence they weren’t supervising or parenting
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Maybe child welfare should be called on this man for having a criminal past, a drug addiciton, and a hot temper.
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why call Child welfare on this man ? Did he do something to the children in his care? It wasn’t his lovely children running the streets unsupervised at night. Here’s another way to look at this, if mommy and daddy knew where their lovely little innocent teenagers were then maybe they wouldn’t have ened up in the hospital bed but instead their own bed at home
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There were no 911 calls made until after he started shooting it was in 1 of the articles.It also states that the shooter had also punched the kid and broke his glasses the one who he shot in the back of the neck. It amazes me how people are ok with what he did.I don’t get it,it is a crime what he did attempted murder endangering the welfare of others. You can not even get a gun permit for that type of gun.
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they need officer David London to club the teenagers with his metal baton 50 times each
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I agree with the shooter. Kids need to be punished for their bad behavior
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Yeah agree with the shooter cause your not a moron. Im pretty sure we are humans and shooting at someone doesnt solve anything . Im sure if it was someone you new it would be a different story
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what are you a moron. noone deserves to be punished by being shot at with a high powerd rifle. go get your head examined
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I think the kids who got shot will never cause trouble again. Sometimes we need to take the law into our own hands. I agree with the shooter.
Of course, it would have been better if he shot in the air just to scatter them away, it is wrong that he actually shot the kids, but I still agree with him.
I think you are a moron, you probably have out of control teens and you are just scared that one day they will cause trouble and get shot at
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LINE THEM UP AND EXECUTE THEM!!START AT THE BANTRY….
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Bottom-line,it’s all about bad parenting,Know what YOUR kids are doing.and correct the wrongs.
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well said !!!
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NEWS FLASH!!! Schoolyards and Playgrounds/Parks Close at Dusk. THAT’S THE LAW! Sorry. Living across the street from such a location does not automatically subject the homeowner to noise and mischief at all hours of the night. Bottom line, parents need to know where their children are late at night.
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FIRST OF ALL…MOST OF THE TEENS THERE THAT NIGHT WERE NOT FROM GERRITSEN BEACH…I LIVE IN GERRITSEN BEACH AND MY KIDS LIVE HERE AND I TAKE OFFENSE TO YOU CALLING US WHITE TRASH…KIDS NEED TO BE SHOT AS A WAKE UP CALL…SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED THERAPY…DONT GO OUT AND SAY THOSE WORDS IN THE STREET…THE SPECIAL BUS WILL COME AND TAKE YOU AWAY…THE KIDS THREW SOME GARBAGE PAILS AND MAYBE DENTED A CAR…WELL IF IT WERE UP TO YOU THEY WOULD BE BEFORE A FIRING SQUAD…U SHOULD SEE A WHOLE TEAM OF THERAPISTS
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so you think it is ok for teens to throw garbage cans and dent cars?
you stupid witch ! get off your broomstick and get a life you loser.
I take offense to what you wrote, you self righteous gerritsen beach bungalow trailer trash.
you need therapy. you need to understand that in reality there is a price to pay for hooliganism.
yes, I support the rights of the shooter to protect his property, by any means necessary.
a man works hard to buy and maintain his car.What right does a group of white trash teen hooligans have to damage his property and take food of of his babies mouths?
get a grip on reality you idiot.
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how dare you support a group of out of control teens, you fool.
you need to have your head examined by a doctor.
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I dont think anyone deserves to be shot at as a wake up call. You are all missing the big picture that if this was you it wouldnt be ok. If you were walking by and this man started shooting it would a different story. As to your hoolinagism quote is all over brooklyn, doesnt mean you open fire on teens. They were no threats towards this man, his family, or nieghbors. So just like parent of 2 teenagers said go get your head examined
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I don’t believe they were all from gerritsen beach its amazing how people look for any reason to call them gerritsen beach white trash. In reality it was a marine park crazed nut job with a record of drugs and domestic violence, that fired into the crowd and shot a kid in the back. I think the crowd was leaving its not like they seenn him coming after them he was a like a sniper in a window. Never heard of anyone from gerritsen beach doing something like that.
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This was in Marine Park, not Gerrittsen Beach. Get that straight. NONE of the kids were from the Beach, if there were I’m sure that there would already be about 1000 comments going ’round the world about it. Danny must be sooo disappointed that this didn’t happen in the Beach, even writing above that it is bound to happen here, it’s only a matter of time. IMHO, he can’t wait. GB net even has “likes” on SB bites in regard to it. Why do you hate kids/teens so much, Dan? For someone who claims to want the best for the neighborhood, you certainly seem to relish and encourage people to bash it.
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I didn’t read anyplace that these kids were from Gerritsen Beach! Anyone know if they were from I read that one kid was from midwood.
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maybe he should have used a low power gun
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The Law really…The law states that self defense is acceptable…this was not self defense…This man, his family or his neighbors were not being physically threatened by these teens…It was not at all hours of the night it was at 11:30…And Noise really you live in Brooklyn NY you want quite move to IDAHO…Mischief call 911 report the teens…better yet follow them home talk to their parents…This animal opened FIRE on people like he was in a war zone…This behavior would not be tolerated in HIS country and there is NO excuse for it in OUR COUNTRY…
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Marine park always has joggers and bike riders in it at all hours they are lucky they never bothered him. They are stating that they were damaging property no reports were filed was there any damages? Also an adult I believe started this well brought it to this level by throwing a bottle at them from one of the houses not sure if it was the shooters house that it came from.
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I have read the posts on here and on other sites…I have read the newspapers, i have watched the TV coverage…I have yet to see any coverage saying this man warned these kids to get off his property, I have yet to see any coverage that said this man called 911…And most of all I have yet to see or hear anything that said this man or his family was in physical danger from these kids…This man is a mental case…he should be locked up and the KEY SHOULD BE THROWN away with BIN Ladens body…He should spend many years away from the general public, he should not be allowed to be around your children, my children or even his own child…And whats the rumor about him having a violent past…This man was WRONG on so many different levels…For all of you that want him as a neighbor…would you prefer a mental facilty or Rikers…
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For those who claim to know that these teens were not causing problems on the block, you need to ask yourself this one question: Why were a number of the neighbors already outside their homes to observe the teens so late at night, and why was someone taping the activity ***Before the Shooting Started***??? Most people I know do not venture out at midnight just to videotape teens who are quietly walking or riding down their street. It seems obvious that some kind of activity prompted them to go outside and investigate. Not to mention the documented vehicle damage reported to the police and mentioned in the news.
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Just to clarify. No one is in support of what this man has been accused of doing. The shooting that transpired is totally reprehensible and cannot be tolerated in a civil society.
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Just looking for clarification on the following statement “The shooting that transpired is totally reprehensible and cannot be tolerated in a civil society.” I this statement meant to be a general statement or is it directly related to this incident? I ask because, I have to assume no one civil ever wants to shoot another, however to keep society civil and protect ones individual rights some people must be stopped with deadly force. Contrary to popular believe, the police are the second line of dense for people. In this great nation with out rights, the individual is the first line of dense against criminals and those that wish us harm. If the statement is general, the poster is in the wrong country considering this great nation was build upon a right to protect ones self, which following their logic would make one of the founding principles of America based uncivil. It is interesting how many “Americans” disregard the principles this great nation was founded on because they disagree with them. I bet a mob of teens would think twice about behaving this way in Florida or Texas knowing full well that homeowners are prepared to protect their property and family.
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FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SUPPORT HIM. LETS GO BACK IN TIME AND PUT YOU IN THIS SITUATION AND SEE HOW YOU FEEL THEN.
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It is a founding principle of this great nation, we need criminal control, which firearms contribute to. If you want a gun less society go live in a dictatorship or a soft socialist nation like England or Canada. Don’t forget statistics show crime is greater in countries without the right to bear arms. Crimes such as home invasions are more likely due to the lack of fear on the part of those doing these crimes.
If we followed your logic we could simply move to marshal law being that free will and individual rights are the root of all crime. If people are not allowed to leave their house without an express reason and permission from the crown there will be less problems in society.
As for the assault weapons issue, I would bet 9 out of ten people have not idea what the difference is between a semi automatic rifle and an assault weapon is. This is not necessarily their fault being that the anti gun (read anti Bill of Rights ) lobby has done a great job to confuse the issue.
The issue is simple, when people harm others for no good reason take action against them. When people harm others in defense self defense understand it is their right to protect themselves. Inanimate objects are not the culprit, the root of the problem is a lack of respect for each other and a liberal justice system that protects the criminal class.
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It is a founding principle of this great nation, we need criminal control, which firearms contribute to. If you want a gun less society go live in a dictatorship or a soft socialist nation like England or Canada. Don’t forget statistics show crime is greater in countries without the right to bear arms. Crimes such as home invasions are more likely due to the lack of fear on the part of those doing these crimes.
If we followed your logic we could simply move to marshal law being that free will and individual rights are the root of all crime. If people are not allowed to leave their house without an express reason and permission from the crown there will be less problems in society.
As for the assault weapons issue, I would bet 9 out of ten people have not idea what the difference is between a semi automatic rifle and an assault weapon is. This is not necessarily their fault being that the anti gun (read anti Bill of Rights ) lobby has done a great job to confuse the issue.
The issue is simple, when people harm others for no good reason take action against them. When people harm others in defense self defense understand it is their right to protect themselves. Inanimate objects are not the culprit, the root of the problem is a lack of respect for each other and a liberal justice system that protects the criminal class.
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There is less crime in England and Japan then the U.S. They have strict gun control. There is also far less murders. You can look it up. Your facts are not correct Foo.
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No anon, guns do not kill innocent people, lowlife murdering criminals kill innocent people. The 2nd Amendment serves a valuable purpose in this country. To protect the innocent from the guilty. Most liberals such as yourself just can’t see it that way, and would like nothing better than to strip law abiding citizens of the protections the 2nd Amendment affords………”Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.” – Thomas Jefferson
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pliny is right !
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Two Island nations smaller than Texas. Of course they have less crime. They also don’t have as many illegal immigrants & other “problems” that we have here.
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Yes, you do need a gun to protect yourself and your family. You also need to understand, how and when to use it…I personally prefer a 12Ga 5 shot pump shotgun for home defense…With a shotgun you only have to be close to put an intruder down…With a rifle you have to aim at your target intruder… You cannot by any means fire from your windows or chase someone around the streets with it..When, and if the Police do arrive all they are going to see is you and your shotgun in the street…And you might be the one who gets injured…Remember even if you are not a hunter, you can easily become the hunted…
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You are correct, just like any dangerous equipment (car, boat, heavy equipment, or knife) you need to be prudent and responsible. Just because you have the option, and tool(s) to use deadly force, does not mean you are justified in it.
I find it interesting that many anti gun types have no issue with the police having firearms, however they fail to realize many sportsman spend more time training with and have more passion for firearms.
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The problem here isn’t gun control. The problem here is that these kids were not smart to begin with. I mean theres a friggen park next to em and of all places they choose to pick a fight in front of someone’s property. If any of these kids were CONSIDERATE to begin with, they would’ve taken their beef up in the park well away from any innocent bystanders and we wouldn’t have any bad press now. But they instead choose to be selfish and drag everyone else down with them. So whose the real morons here huh?
This ENTIRE event could’ve been prevented had the kids been home sitting on their asses playing xbox or whatever instead of lurking around the streets seeing who had the bigger prick. I’ve been on this damn block for quite some time now and have absolutely no problem with the kids that come around 3 in the morning kicking over trash cans, arguing with each other over who fucked this and who they want to fuck next and the retards that completely blow the stop sign while gunning it down the block. WHY? because they’re in the park and well away from me to not have to feel threatened with my life nor property.
But what I do have a problem with are inconsiderate pricks who come around kicking over your trash cans that you left out to be collected in the morn, foot prints on people’s cars and rocks through rear windshields just because. Lets face it people, we all get our shits handed to us at work and when we come home we want to enjoy our “us” time. We treat our neighbors with respect and live by the creed of “don’t do onto those you wouldn’t want done onto you”.
The problem isn’t the lack of police presence or the kids. The problem is lack of courtesy and consideration for other people. I mean hey, if my parents talked to me more and spent more time doing things that I actually liked more ( I can’t remember when was the last time my dad even played a game with me ) I wouldn’t be outside looking for an excuse to not go home now would I?
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i predict a very hot summer
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A few months ago I called 911 4 times over the course of an hour, as a teenager was looking into all the cars on my block, and no cops came until 1 hour later and did not even stop, they drove right down the block. We had been having cars broken into constantly, and all they were stealing was loose change. My first call was at 11:30, when my neighbor had heard someone in the driveway and called me to see if I heard it, we both looked out and saw this kid looking into the cars, 1st call. The 2nd call was about 10 minutes later when he started to go into the driveways. The third call was another 10 minutes later when he came out of the driveway holding something and moving fast down the block, I had given the address of the home where the kid had just come out of the driveway. At that time, I started to follow and he headed down Dictum Court, I lost track of him, when I came home and placed my fourth call, to the precinct, who in turn told me that I had to call 911 again, as he was not sure if it came thru.
I called Community Affairs the next day, and was told that “I am sure the cops did show up, that is what everbody says.” Funny, I did see them show up and keep driving, they did not even stop at the address I had given.
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MJ is right !!
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anon is wrong
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Anon- I cannot man up and grab him, as I am a female, a middle aged female at that. I did not know if he was carrying anything on him, I called the cops and tried to follow him at a distance.
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this is my rifle this is my gun
this ones for shooting this ones for fun
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they want to run around thinking they are little gangsters and then they get shot at… too bad little bastards…. and shit parents…both should be shot
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Did anyone notice Geritsen Beach’s lovely teenagers sitting on people’s cars.. smoking pot blunts and lighting all thier m-80′s and firecrackers in front of other people’s houses far away from thier own parents houses? why don’t they party in own parents yards so thier parents can enjoy it too?
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If you put a camera, any camera, flat up against a window it will shoot through and take a perfect picture without anyone knowing it. A picture speaks a thousand words.
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