The Seba Avenue Park Comfort Station aka Bathrooms construction is underway. This week there is a HUGE square hole that was excavated. Under the soil layer is nothing but sand.
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YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE BATHROOMS FOR THE KIDS WHILE THEY ARE PLAYING BASEBALL, OR GOING TO THE POINT, OR JUST GOING OUT FOR A STROLL THAT IS WONDERFUL…. ITS ALSO A SHAME IT WONT LAST LONG… WE ALL KNOW HOW THINGS GET DEFACED OR DESTROYED IN THE BEACH. ITS A SHAME, IT REALLY IS … 'CAUSE GERRITSEN BEACH IS ONE OF THE LAST DESCENT NEIGHBOR HOODS LEFT AND WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT TODAY… SO WE CAN STILL ENJOY IT TOMORROW!!!!
KATHY
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Kathy – please turn off your CAPS LOCK. Using all CAPS is the internet's form of yelling at people.
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Don't be mistaken, This is Not being done for the people in Gerritsen Beach, If I need to use the bathroom I walk home, just like everyone in the beach. This is for the outsiders, park visitors that will be using the facilities to make them MORE comfortable, you see them all already being bussed in, soccer players,bike riders, or walking down who ALREADY leave a huge mess every time. have you noticed all the garbage that it's left behind!!!!!!!
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Everything in this neighborhood is contested – even bathrooms. Don't force little kids to wiz in the bushes. While you're at it make a trip to Home Depot and fix up some of those shacks, maybe buy a new fence. If anything we need more 'outsiders' to buy a few of these houses for sale and keep turning the place around. It's getting better and better as more of the slobs leave – same slobs complaining about having a couple of toilets while their kids run around destroying public and private property.
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I do undertand what you want – you want no change at all. Longing for the 'orignal bungalos' is great, so get to restoring them intstead of living like pigs – mow your lawn, cut your weeds, get new siding. I'm not advocating going to the opposite extreme either and building ugly boxes. This is still a great neighborhood, in fact I think its a better neighborhood -and getting better all the time.
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Sometimes I think the people in Gerritsen Beach don't own brooms. What does it take to go outside and sweep up your property and pull those weeds? Rockaway is also a beach community and it is beautiful. Don't tell me to live there, I chose to live here. Why can't the people who live here strive for the same cleanliness? And, by the way, where are you when your "children" are breaking the glass bus shelters and overturning the few garbage receptacles we have? And yes, while I don't think people should be creating monster houses out of their bungalos simply because the homes are too close in proximity to each other, it doesn't take too much trouble to keep up the exterior. I believe they call it "curb appeal". This community can look real slummy in no time if we don't get to work on what we have.
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You just proved it, who uses the "bushes as their bathroom?" Outsiders. That's right we fix-up Our homes, don't You! Or you live like a slob! As you mentioned "Outside Slobs" are turning this neighborhood as their dumping ground,Have you seen the garbage they leave behind when they come over and use the park, fields, and playground!!!!!! They such take their garbage with them!!! They even had the nerve to BBQ on the field, turn some orange cones over and used them as garbage cans, that's unacceptable & disgusting!!!!!!
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You know its for people coming into the beach; I recently was in Dr John's Park and someone from the playground with a number of children in tow, approached me. She asked if there was a rest room; when I answered "No" she asked if I lived far!!! Can you believe it???
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A public park is open to the general public not just residents of GB. I'm sure part of the reason (besides common sense) that the bathrooms are being built is to so that businesses don't get harassed for bathroom use and little kids don't have to pee in the open. Give me a break if you think our GB kids are going to walk all the way home to take a leak. Let's have some class folks.
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I grew up in the GB and walked home or to a friend's home to take a leak. How is that a loss of class?
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It's not but some little ones can't hold it in that long and some parents are forced to let kids wizz in the trees. The point is lets be classy as a neighborhood and build a little station.
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I'm all for the rest rooms based upon the needs of the little children. Now if we can only figure out a way to keep the big kids out of the little kids park and breaking the toddler swings.
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I just hope they're not huge. A convienant place for a quick pit stop is all that's needed.
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OMG are you kidding me?! Please NO showers! That's all we'll need!
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That's pretty gross! you need a shower after skateboarding? It's a public rest room why would you want to shower instead of waiting to get home!
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As if these bathrooms aren't a child molesters dream come true, there was just a 7 year old attacked in a restroom in a park in Sheepshead Bay. (At least we're only tick infested!) Can you imagine the Homo Hideout that showers would be? These bathrooms won't last and not only because of any vandalism that may happen. I was in the bathrooms in Central Park, by the lake recently and they were FILTHY. And I'm not talking about just dirty from the people who had been using them (Alot of tourists) but bad maintainence. There were toilets that didn't flush right, bugs filled the light fixtures. Broken, dripping faucets, no paper towels or soap. I was embarrassed for the City. If this is as good as they can manage in the jewel of city parks, what can we expect?
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I would not bet on this city doing any of the things you mentioned without a huge fight from the GBPOA.
GBPOA is very influential and the politicians in this area know that. In the late 70s the city wanted to install huge indoors tennis courts where Seba park is and it never happened thanks to our GB overseer's.
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Lets see an outdoor skte park for kids to hang out in or an indoor tennis center where people need permits to play and can NOT just hang out, tough decision. I guess the people from the 70s are rethinking their decisions now.
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I think the thinking back then was if we allow the city to develop the Beach with tennis courts and the like then we would lose all control of who uses them here. We can't restrict people from coming into the Beach if public funds were used to construct entertainment facilities.
Do we want another Marine Park?
How do we justify giving "permits" only to GB residence?
If we leave the door open just a little bit the floodgates would open with opportunists and speculators looking to capitalize on the unique area we call Gerritsen Beach.
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You don't and wouldn't give permits just to GB residents. The point was and is that at all city in door (under the bubble) courts you need to have a permit to get in and use the courts. I believe the City contracts out the control of the tennis courts. The Parade Grounds (down by Prospect Park) for example.
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Trainman : I did not mention anything about what the City might do… At one time before Mau-Mau bridge caught fire it was supposed to be another 9 hole golf course…City plans come and go ,my point is that the land is owned by the City to be developed as a park as they wish. And yes ,the community will be consulted, but the final decisions will be made by some pencil pusher engineer at the Dept of Real Estate….. This has always been a danger since the Whitney Estate left the land to the City… One thing you will never see is the 10 or more Starret Citys that could be placed on that amount of land it will remain as a public park
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Trainman : I am sorry but but I think you are not only missing my point but also missing the history of the East side of Gerrittsen Ave…For all intents and purposes you already have another Marine Park in that ALL of the land from Ave "U" to the end of Gerrittsen Ave is owned by NYC….and Easterly to Flatbush Ave….It just has not been developed yet. I am not saying that it will be done in 5 yrs, or even 10 yrs. but it will be done eventually….. Permits for only GB residents is not in the cards …It is PUBLIC LAND given buy the Whitney Estate to the City for a public park ….Developement has only taken place in a small area of ball fields and soccer/football fields and Seba Park.. More is yet to come….. GB will always be unique it will just have to be shared with others sorrowfully so….. The truth is you have no control, over what the City will do on land that they already own….
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I am aware of the size of Marine Park.
Marine Park is also part of Gateway National Park and Wildlife Reserve which was signed into law by Richard Nixon in the early 1970s. It's the federal funds that created the nature walk and is also funding the restoration of that area to its original state.
When I mentioned Marine Park I was referring to the area between Avenue U and Fillmore Ave. I take exception to your premise that we have no control over what New York City decides to do with this public land. As I stated originally GBPOA stopped construction of the tennis courts in the 70s. They also stopped the modernization project Con Edison had in mind at the time.
Apparently we do have some influence in what goes on here in GB.
Let's keep it that way.
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You are probably & most definitely an outsider. And have NO idea what this community is all about, all we are trying to do is mantain our community, preserve it, take care of it, make it better for all the already several generations of families that have continued to live here and this our home. Granted it has been changing little bit at a time, but it still is our neighborhood,and it's not perfect. There is NO other neighborhood like this one, you would have to go out of your way to get here. And people "envy" that, Everyone wants to get their hands on it!! With all the outside activity be sure that crime has risen, garbage in the park and field have risen as well. Pay attention whenever their are yellow busses around,teams play,skate park full of outsiders, the place is left full of garbage,it's our neighborhood, show some respect. How I know that it's full of outsiders I have seen children from the neighborhood turn around and leave the park because they are either fearfull or there's No room for them, they have to leave their own community park/playground. That's Not fair for the children in our community!!!"Why would anyone go out of their way to use another neighborhoods facitities when they have their own?" and trash it! You are a guest act like one!
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Anonymous, are you talking to me or "sorry for you all"?
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We need a few more signs up about no littering and some extra garbage cans. True about the outsiders and buses but also true for local residents who just as carelessly toss their trash and not clean up after their dogs.
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Watch this DIY Course Aid site… My Zone Alarm anti virus lists it as a malicious site FYI all
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Trainman: Just because Federal money paid for a Nature Center and a restoration of some nature trails dose not mean it it part of Gateway National Park… It is not, GNP starts south of the Belt Pky and takes in Jamaica Bay and the Rockaways and not GB….. If you really want to talk about restoration to an original state , they should be forced to remove all of the sand and garbage that was placed on Mau-Mau. Which was until 1958 was a wet land salt marsh that was destroyed by NYC. You can take exception all you want to my premise of control. I still stand by what I said. The City will develop that land as a public park as they see fit… They will ask the community and hold meetings. But the ultimate decision is theirs…..And it probably not happen for many years to come so I would'nt worry about it now
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I'm not an expert on that subject, the only knowledge I have is from conversations with park rangers at the nature trail and some literature I have read. Having said that, I bow to your expertise.
It seems we've gone a bit off track. Our main disagreement, to me, is that we seem to differ on the amount of clout GBPOA has with the City. We also disagree, apparently, on how sensitive NYC is to the concerns of this community. After 35 years in this neighborhood, I certainly would not take the Property Owners Association for granted. I enjoyed our conversation but I still hope, for GB's sake, you're wrong.
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Does anyone really think the City gives a rat's ass about what GB or GBPOA has to say or want, just look at some simple things the City has done and how it has screwed things up in the Beach; changing the Avenue to one lane and NO traffic light on Channel or Devon Ave for the school, these are two very simple things now just imagine something difficult and time comsuming, no one cares in the City what GB has to say, its a proven fact, what may or may not have happened in the past is history.
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Anonymous, I certainly agree with you about the traffic lights along GA.
I looked into it a while back after complaining many times to our community board I was told that the lights do not meet certain criteria. One of which is a complete intersection, meaning a road traveling in both directions. Sounds ridiculous to me especially because we already have a light in front of the school without a complete intersection.
I need to disagree with you about the second part of your statement. I could recall many instances that GBPOA played a huge role in blocking unwanted construction here. I mentioned the tennis courts and Con Edison's interest in building underground electrical service and there are many many more. Way back in the 70s they use to be a supermarket were our library is today. When the supermarket went out of business and was vacant for a number years the city wanted to come in and construct a nursing home at that location. I remember picketing out there to prevent construction. Could you imagine the impact on this community a multi-leveled nursing home would've had. What about the fight the Association has been giving to real estate speculators wanting to build condos on both sides of the the waterway. I'm not saying I agree with everything the Association does, it's impossible to satisfy everyone's interests in the community this large but we need to give credit where credit is due.
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Not to Monday morning quaterback but the con ed vault and tennis courts would have been better then skate park and public restrooms right on the Avenue. Like it was said earlier the tennis courts would have been controlled, there is no control and will be no control over skate park or the rest rooms. As far as a nursing home being constructed that would have been better then a bunch of group homes that have popped up in the community, what possibly could a bunch of elderly done that would have a negative affect on the community or should I say a more negative impact then a park
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Hello again Trainman : There can be no denial that Community Organizations have certain power but it in not all inclusive…. You do raise some interesting points about traffic lights on Gerrittsen Ave.. I am quite sure that if some arms were twisted at City Hall ,we could get lights not withstanding their law.. I worked many years for the City and there are two things they fear most, Voters and Lawsuits take your pick. As far as your contention that they stopped construction by speculators that is wrong Jamal {Lacon Ct.} went bankrupt as did the construction co. that had plans for the old Schatz Bros land….. Just as an old memory, when the Old Section wanted sewers and paved streets. The City at first would not do it due to the streets not conforming to City width standards {that is why there are no sidewalks on the Courts} The GBPOA fought and under Agnes Kennedy finally got the whole project approved and funded…. So big and small things can be done it's just that you have to get to the right people, at election time, and pull them your way like donkeys
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Hi sorry for you all,
The demonstrations against construction I was referring to was for the nursing home and not for the condos.
As I said to "what's it's name", thanks to the GBPOA we got a class a library instead.
A lot of people on this site constantly say bad things about GB and its residents. I would like to say that being a resident here for 35 years, I'm proud to live here and that we did and are doing many good things because some very good people are walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.
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More like Monday evening quarterbacking, anonymous.
Once again you seem to be all over the place. The nursing home would not be for G B resident only it would have been for anyone in the city to use. Thanks to the GBPOA we got a class a library.
You said: "Better a nursing home than a group home"
I guess from that statement you must be pretty lucky as to not have any mentally challenged people in your immediate family.
So I'll play your game.
Better a Group Home than a drug rehab center.
Next!
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You're trying to play word games.
The words "mentally challenged" were never mentioned, and mentally challenged covers a wide range of people including drug addicts, sex offenders and so on, mentally handicapped is another story and yes I have mentally handicapped family members. The words "group home" were used, as in the home where kids, mostly teens, are sent by Family Court or are placed by Children Services while they conduct their investigations, sound familar.
BTW – a drug rehab for some people down here may not be a bad idea
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You're the only one I'm familiar with on this site who loves to play word games. You're constantly criticizing everything and everyone in this Beach and when you're challenged you play the same game you trying to play now.
It's well established and anyone who reads further than the headlines would know that "Group Home" is a term used to identify a residence that is home for mentally challenged or mentally disabled, as you would put it, people. Some references I picked up and if you have the patience to read that much, perhaps you'll get a better understanding what "Group Home" (check the residence on Burnett Street off of Avenue U ) is all about.
I thought you learned by now that your word games has very little effect when challenging what I say.
Forgive me for not double spacing the lines so as to make it easier for you to read.
Read definition below :-)
Definition
Group homes are small, residential facilities located within a community and designed to serve children or adults with chronic disabilities. These homes usually have six or fewer occupants and are staffed 24 hours a day by trained caregivers.
Most group homes are standard, single-family houses, purchased by group home administrators and adapted to meet the needs of the residents. Except for any adaptive features such as wheelchair ramps, group homes are virtually indistinguishable from other homes in the surrounding neighborhood. Group homes may be located in neighborhoods of any socioeconomic status.
Residents of group homes usually have some type of chronic mental disorder that impairs their ability to live independently. Many residents also have physical disabilities such as impairments of vision communication, or ambulation. These individuals require continual assistance to complete daily living and self-care tasks. Some also require supervision due to behavior that may be dangerous to self or others, such as aggression or a tendency to run away.
Although most group homes provide long-term care, some residents eventually acquire the necessary skills to move to more independent living situations.
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when did the term "mentally challenged" cver drug addicts and sex offenders?
according to : http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/M…
"menatlly challenged"
developmental disability
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disability /dis·a·bil·i·ty/ (dis?ah-bil´it-e)
1. inability to function normally, physically or mentally; incapacity.
2. anything that causes disability.
3. as defined by the federal government: “inability to engage in any substantial gainful activity by reason of any medically determinable physical or mental impairment which can be expected to last or has lasted for a continuous period of not less than 12 months.”
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developmental disability a substantial handicap of indefinite duration, with onset before the age of 18 years, such as mental retardation, autism, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, or other neuropathy.
Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
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developmental disability
n.
A cognitive, emotional, or physical impairment, especially one related to abnormal sensory or motor development, that appears in infancy or childhood and involves a failure or delay in progressing through the normal developmental stages of childhood.
The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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developmental disability (DD),
a pathologic condition that starts developing before 18 years of age. Most developmental disabilities persist throughout the individual's life, although many can be effectively treated. See also congenital anomaly.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.
If i am wrong please correct me and site where you received the information from.
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Confused, if you were familiar with Anonymous you would know "it" (I use "IT" in describing the contributor because I can't tell the person's gender by the pseudonym "it" uses) usually contradicts what people say the sake of contradiction and possibly to put some meaning in it's contributing.
I think most people can make the distinction between "mentally challenged" and a mental dependency known as an alcoholic or a drug addict. Because of political correctness we don't usually use the word that was acceptable a few decades back so that left the door open for "it" to contradict the obvious definition of "mentally challenged". Actually, it was my error because I should've known better than to reply to something "it" said.
Welcome to the club.
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TY for welcoming me to the club… lol..i meant no offense at all in what i said i was just curous if the term "mentally challenged " was being use as a blanket term. I know due to political correctness many terms are not used. But i do not believe as though someone with a drug or alcohol dependency or someone who preys on people in the sense of sexual abuse as a person who is mentally challenged… they may have several psycholoigcal issues that have to be addressed, but it should not come under the same "label" as someone who has a disability. They should not be placed in the same category. I would not want my friend's child who has several developmental disabilities to be deemed to be in the same p.c. category of someone who is addicted to either drugs or alcohol, and or someone who is a predatory sex offender. That's all, just basically confused.
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I believe you're completely accurate in your description of a mentally challenged person. My response was more of an explanation of why Anonymous likes to play her game. If you noticed she never replies to people who challenge her rant in an intellectual manner.
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we need more trash cans! im tired of shoving my garbage in my pockets.
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True – it ain't that complicated. The immediate issue is that more people are using public parks ('staycations' and such) and there simply aren't enough trash cans and regularly scheduled pick up of those additional cans.
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people just dont give two shits about littering in someone elses backyard,it's the same thing as having people over to your house and piss all over the floor or leave their dishes and plates wherever they feel like it,as long as it isnt their property or home people don't give a shit and who's gonna be the one to step up and confront them?nobody thats who!so we'll just whine about it on some website
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