Comments on: Dead End Land Grabs: Adverse Possession http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/ Dedicated to Gerritsen Beach Offering Current News, Links & Reviews with some Memories Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:28:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Beachwalker http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25653 Beachwalker Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:45:13 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25653 No, of course not the dead ends. The city owns the dead ends. I am talking about the bonafide lots and I think that 2 different things are being discussed here. I am responding to the idiotic statements about people not owning the waterfront property they live on. Most do own it, pay a separate real estate tax on it. You can tell who didn't buy it during the short time it was available for sale (Parcel A) because those are the houses with no dock, ie 1 Post ct, on the creek. LOL, I guess I haven't been to alot of dead ends in a while. If what you are talking about is the actual bulkhead/railing at the end of courts being blocked from non water neighbors from coming down and looking, that is just wrong. Although, in their possible defense I will say that they are notorious hang outs, and I even as a kid remember the end of Bartlett being one of the worst. You get tired of watching kids smoke weed, drink, piss, and abuse the wildlife. You idealize what access to the creek for you and your children COULD be, but the reality is that kids like to come down and throw rocks. They hit boats and although they throw bread to the ducks when they are small (BTW,Not good for the ducks or the creek)they inevitably throw rocks at them later on. After that, it becomes an adolescent drinking spot, graffitti on the bulkheads, both at the end and facing the water, and the smell of piss when you leave your house in the morning. There are 2 sides to this. No, of course not the dead ends. The city owns the dead ends. I am talking about the bonafide lots and I think that 2 different things are being discussed here. I am responding to the idiotic statements about people not owning the waterfront property they live on. Most do own it, pay a separate real estate tax on it. You can tell who didn't buy it during the short time it was available for sale (Parcel A) because those are the houses with no dock, ie 1 Post ct, on the creek. LOL, I guess I haven't been to alot of dead ends in a while. If what you are talking about is the actual bulkhead/railing at the end of courts being blocked from non water neighbors from coming down and looking, that is just wrong. Although, in their possible defense I will say that they are notorious hang outs, and I even as a kid remember the end of Bartlett being one of the worst. You get tired of watching kids smoke weed, drink, piss, and abuse the wildlife. You idealize what access to the creek for you and your children COULD be, but the reality is that kids like to come down and throw rocks. They hit boats and although they throw bread to the ducks when they are small (BTW,Not good for the ducks or the creek)they inevitably throw rocks at them later on. After that, it becomes an adolescent drinking spot, graffitti on the bulkheads, both at the end and facing the water, and the smell of piss when you leave your house in the morning. There are 2 sides to this.

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]]> By: onewhoknows http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25652 onewhoknows Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:42:11 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25652 post to CREEK ....Go to Dept. of Finance website Check Block 8876 Lot 2762. Owned by Landis Court Realty Corp. 1 Landis Ct........Check same Block Lot 2800 Owned by Skouche Realty Corp. 2 Kay Court or 1 Landis Ct. Same Block Lot 2724 Owned by Down East Yacht Club.... If you scroll down to same Block Lot 5545 it runs from Bartlett Pl. to Cyrus Ave Owner is City of New York, Finance Administration......Those are the people who cut off your streets Not any one person or fellow beachite As far as post by Clay "Kiddie Beach" is safe for now... The other side is a Class "A" wetland, salt marsh.... All I have been trying to say is that before the DEC, they would not have let all of that sand to be dumped on a wet land to create a community beach....That the GBPOA fought hard for years ago. I would hate to see some kid lawyer from Minnasota or South Carolina working for The City come snooping around asking questions.......Some pretty nasty posts' considering my only intention was to give some input on a wonderful community asset like the "Kiddie: post to CREEK ….Go to Dept. of Finance website Check Block 8876 Lot 2762. Owned by Landis Court Realty Corp. 1 Landis Ct……..Check same Block Lot 2800 Owned by Skouche Realty Corp. 2 Kay Court or 1 Landis Ct. Same Block Lot 2724 Owned by Down East Yacht Club…. If you scroll down to same Block Lot 5545 it runs from Bartlett Pl. to Cyrus Ave Owner is City of New York, Finance Administration……Those are the people who cut off your streets Not any one person or fellow beachite As far as post by Clay "Kiddie Beach" is safe for now… The other side is a Class "A" wetland, salt marsh…. All I have been trying to say is that before the DEC, they would not have let all of that sand to be dumped on a wet land to create a community beach….That the GBPOA fought hard for years ago. I would hate to see some kid lawyer from Minnasota or South Carolina working for The City come snooping around asking questions…….Some pretty nasty posts' considering my only intention was to give some input on a wonderful community asset like the "Kiddie:

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]]> By: Clay http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25650 Clay Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:57:53 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25650 NYCDOB seems to have posted NYSDEC's maps online: <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/html/reference/tidalWetlandsMap.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/html/reference/tidalW...</a> GB's map looks to be 590-492, showing GB surrounded by what's marked as 'LZ' or littoral zone. Since it is not mapped as a grass marsh, guessing 'IM' or 'HM', "Kiddie Beach" looks safe to remain as a beach. Have to check out NYSDEC's website to clarify the terminology. NYCDOB seems to have posted NYSDEC's maps online:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/html/reference/tidalW…

GB's map looks to be 590-492, showing GB surrounded by what's marked as 'LZ' or littoral zone. Since it is not mapped as a grass marsh, guessing 'IM' or 'HM', "Kiddie Beach" looks safe to remain as a beach.

Have to check out NYSDEC's website to clarify the terminology.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25648 Anonymous Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:31:23 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25648 It's called an easement butthead, & it's supposed to be open access. It's not mythical. It's called an easement butthead, & it's supposed to be open access. It's not mythical.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25643 Anonymous Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:08:54 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25643 "If we complain too much we will open a can of worms"??? "Ruin it for others"?? "No need to disturb what WE have now"??? Who exactlty do you mean by WE?? Tell us!! Please?. What about the residents of Merit court and the children who live there whose access to the Dead end was illegally cut off?? "If we complain too much we will open a can of worms"??? "Ruin it for others"?? "No need to disturb what WE have now"??? Who exactlty do you mean by WE?? Tell us!! Please?. What about the residents of Merit court and the children who live there whose access to the Dead end was illegally cut off??

]]> By: CREEK http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25642 CREEK Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:04:10 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25642 If the Schmidts owned any land down there, it did not include the dead ends, which my family and our neighbors going back 45 years used to be able to regularly access for recreational activities. The land they owned included what is now Shellbank Yacht Club. It's interesting you claim that land is part of some sale that the Schmidts had a hand in, BUT THAT LAND DID NOT INCLUDE THE DEAD ENDS OF THESE BLOCKS. The dead end of Merit Court was open until about 10 years ago, the Shcmidts sold their property ABOUT 30 YEARS BEFORE THE DEAD END WAS FENCED OFF. Explain that one. Also,why then have the residents of CYRUS Avenue taken over this land at the end of Merit?? Has either of you lived on Landis or Merit for the past 45 years?? Didn't think so.. It is obvious that the two of you have some personal stake in this, and are using fear to try and make this issue die down and just go away, as evidenced by your quotes--"…….Remember be careful what you wish for ……You might just get it" and "you will all be the worse off for ever opening up ,the can of , forget the worms, change to Deadly Snakes". Yea, onewhodoesn'tknow, what I wish for is the chance to enjoy the waterfront I enjoyed with my parents as a child, and to have my children enjoy it with me. I think most of GB residents aren't dumb enough to fall for your obvious attempt at intimidation and lies. It's easy to make up a fake name and make claims. Provide links to these "tax records" you claim to have seen that proves the DEAD ENDS are privately owned. The members of CREEK are waiting. If the Schmidts owned any land down there, it did not include the dead ends, which my family and our neighbors going back 45 years used to be able to regularly access for recreational activities. The land they owned included what is now Shellbank Yacht Club. It's interesting you claim that land is part of some sale that the Schmidts had a hand in, BUT THAT LAND DID NOT INCLUDE THE DEAD ENDS OF THESE BLOCKS. The dead end of Merit Court was open until about 10 years ago, the Shcmidts sold their property ABOUT 30 YEARS BEFORE THE DEAD END WAS FENCED OFF. Explain that one. Also,why then have the residents of CYRUS Avenue taken over this land at the end of Merit?? Has either of you lived on Landis or Merit for the past 45 years?? Didn't think so..

It is obvious that the two of you have some personal stake in this, and are using fear to try and make this issue die down and just go away, as evidenced by your quotes–"…….Remember be careful what you wish for ……You might just get it" and "you will all be the worse off for ever opening up ,the can of , forget the worms, change to Deadly Snakes". Yea, onewhodoesn'tknow, what I wish for is the chance to enjoy the waterfront I enjoyed with my parents as a child, and to have my children enjoy it with me. I think most of GB residents aren't dumb enough to fall for your obvious attempt at intimidation and lies. It's easy to make up a fake name and make claims. Provide links to these "tax records" you claim to have seen that proves the DEAD ENDS are privately owned. The members of CREEK are waiting.

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]]> By: thewayitusedtob http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25639 thewayitusedtob Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:10:37 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25639 Shame on anonymous for being so jealous that they want to ruin what we have. Shame on anonymous for being so jealous that they want to ruin what we have.

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]]> By: thewayitusedtob http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25633 thewayitusedtob Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:59:07 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25633 THANKS to onewhoknows for re inforcing the fact that if we complain too much that we will be opening a can of worms. There is no need to disturb what we have now. People are angry and jealous of each other and its a shame that they want to ruin it for others. That wasn't the way it used to be. THANKS to onewhoknows for re inforcing the fact that if we complain too much that we will be opening a can of worms. There is no need to disturb what we have now. People are angry and jealous of each other and its a shame that they want to ruin it for others. That wasn't the way it used to be.

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]]> By: onewhoknows http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25631 onewhoknows Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:30:15 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25631 Oh ! Just one more post to anonymousE. If you would learn how to read the City Map none of this would be even be discussed.....On the left of the map is a thing called a legend, it tells you what all of the lines mean. Much like a nautical chart helps you... Well anyhow if you look at Post Ct. you will see a black line, that indicates a roadway..... Then you follow that across Madoc Ave..... And your mythicial Post Ct. disappears No black line on that yellow patch means no roadway.....Stop acting like the sky is falling and learn that sometimes it is O.K. to be wrong Oh ! Just one more post to anonymousE. If you would learn how to read the City Map none of this would be even be discussed…..On the left of the map is a thing called a legend, it tells you what all of the lines mean. Much like a nautical chart helps you… Well anyhow if you look at Post Ct. you will see a black line, that indicates a roadway….. Then you follow that across Madoc Ave….. And your mythicial Post Ct. disappears No black line on that yellow patch means no roadway…..Stop acting like the sky is falling and learn that sometimes it is O.K. to be wrong

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]]> By: onewhoknows http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2010/01/21/dead-end-land-grabs-adverse-possession/#comment-25627 onewhoknows Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:48:03 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=5033#comment-25627 Thank You atlanticdare. It proves my point, The land was privately owned and was offered to the Landis and Merit Ct residents.... It is now owned by 2 Realty Groups......Check the Dept. of Finance web site for maps and ownership.... Oh ! by the way Plumb Beach Ave is the roadway that was to run to Exit 10 on the Belt Pkwy..... I would not worry any more about that ever being done. With all of the new State and Federal enviormental laws it could never be done This nonsense should die soon and figure out who is in violation and who is not. Like I said before my purpose is protecting "Kiddie Beach" If the DEC finds one blade of marsh grass on that beach. They will declare it a wet land {which it once was } and you will all be the worse off for ever opening up,the can of , forget the worms, change to Deadly Snakes Thank You atlanticdare. It proves my point, The land was privately owned and was offered to the Landis and Merit Ct residents…. It is now owned by 2 Realty Groups……Check the Dept. of Finance web site for maps and ownership…. Oh ! by the way Plumb Beach Ave is the roadway that was to run to Exit 10 on the Belt Pkwy….. I would not worry any more about that ever being done. With all of the new State and Federal enviormental laws it could never be done

This nonsense should die soon and figure out who is in violation and who is not. Like I said before my purpose is protecting "Kiddie Beach" If the DEC finds one blade of marsh grass on that beach. They will declare it a wet land {which it once was } and you will all be the worse off for ever opening up,the can of , forget the worms, change to Deadly Snakes

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