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Update: Gerritsen Ave & Ave U Pedestrian Island

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The re-construction/re-painting of Gerritsen Avenue is fully underway.

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Check out these drive through videos of Gerritsen Avenue traveling north ans south. You can see very clearly despite the rain how the new traffic pattern will not work out.

62 comments to Update: Gerritsen Ave & Ave U Pedestrian Island

  • Anonymous

    You should have taken the video during rush hour.

  • Bugg

    It’s a matter of time until some icy night a car skids into that traffic isles at U aand at Fillmore. Hopefully no one gets hurt. The City is broke, yet they have money for projects like this that no one wants and will make traffic congestion worse than it is.

    DOT is amazing-they dig up perfectly good streets repeatedly and leaved decrepit ones untouched. Their major capital projects-the Van Wyck, West Street, the BQE-go on forever with no signs of any progress. There doesn’t seem to be any sense they have the faintest clue what they are doing.Before anyone raises our taxes again, how about SOMEONE review what the hell this out of control bureaucracy is doing? No one wanted these Gerritsen Avenue projects. They will make traffic worse. They will do nothing to make the roads safer, and in fact as in my icyu road example probably waorse; a traffic island cannot swerve. So they have wasted millions in funds and man hours to ruin a perfectly fine street. A proud moment indeed.

    • nobody

      @Bugg, So maybe, on that icy road, you’ll slow down — a previously inconceivable though, it seems. And if you do lose control, instead of hitting another vehicle or a pedestrian, you’ll only hit the median.

      • anonymous

        @nobody, What is your problem?? Do you think everyone except yourself drive fast on icy roads, besides you do not have to be driving fast to lose control on icy roads? ” you’ll only hit the median” did you ever think that someone maybe standing on the median in the middle of a busy street when the car hits the median????????

    • Anonymous

      @Bugg,

      These are the types of ideas floated at National Mayors Conferences. Cost too much money to keep building/maintaining city streets. Too many cars on the road. Number of drivers/cars in households double (at least) every 18 years. So fellow mayors, the way to solve this problem is to make driving less convenient. Doing so, in theory, will encourage citizens to be more inclined to use mass transit, bikes or better still – WALK. Everyones getting too fat and that will lead to higher government health costs too.Finally, it will ultimately reduce our carbon foot print.

      The city of Seattle received 429 million from the Feds to install bike lanes throughout the city. The local government did not build new bile lanes, they hired street painting contractors, and took one lane in each direction on four lane roads and turned it into a dedicated bike lane. For two lane roads, they painted a white line three feet into the traffic lane and made it a “Share Lane”.
      We pay these highly educated people to solve our problems, not spend millions on STUDIES, then try to solve the problem with social re-engineering.

      Man goes to his doctor and says, “Doc, whenever I lift my arm it hurts”. Doc says, “well don’t lift your arm anymore”. Doc then says, “please pay the nurse $100.00 on the way out”.

      • Frank

        @, Your an ass!!!!!! and totally sucked in cause you probably dont work and have no family to support!!! Changing times things are rough for those of us who have a job and a place to go. Most cannot bike to work in suits or carrying equipment and should not have to. let see bloomy ride to work on a bike with out his security and have to be to work on time in a suit! Even yet let him drive to work and sit in traffic created by his plans. Take away his parking spot as he arrives on time but misses the meeting while trying to find parking!!! See he does not have these problems

  • Dewrock

    LOL!!!!!!!!! Love the Clint Eastwood music in back round

  • Michael P. Judge

    The question begs to be asked: what kind of drugs are the DOT on?

  • nobody

    Boy, you folks don’t know the first thing about traffic calming, do you?

    • Bugg

      @nobody, Motorists will not be much becalmed by traffic on Gerritsen Avenue backing up to Knapp Street and beyond. Why does “Nobody” presume only speeding cars skid out on icy roads? Under the old setup, a skidding vehicle could conceivably strike 1. a car going to opposite way, whcih could move; 2. a pedestrian, who doesn’t figure to cross that street under icy conditions unless he has the light and sees no traffic but can also move or 3. nothing.Also said skidding car could hopefully gain control at some point and steer away from harm, but now some of he space he could utilize under the old setup will be gone.

      Now said skidding car, it’s driver and occupants are going to strike on unmovable cement divider that 1. has no give and 2. will not move.

      And as Rut Roh points out they’ve created a bottleneck in a place where FDNY vehicles could be unduly delayed . If my house or yours is on fire, suspect delays in repsonse times caused by this idiocy will not be becalming.

      DOT most stand for Dopes On Traffic. The orange vests, coffee all around, never-ending work assignments with no discernible progress and union conditions must make this a great civil service job.Where can I sign up?

      • nobody

        @Bugg, Wow, you people have such windshield perspectives. Do us all a favor and get out of your car once in a while.

        • Bugg

          @nobody, IF you had bothered to read the old thread, you would’ve noticed I ride my bicycle up and down Gerritsen and Knapp almost every day. I’m sensitive to the idea that we should get out of our cars, ride bikes and walk.We all aren’t getting out of our cars(in fact by every measure there are more cars on the raod than ever). We need to accomodate our cars and the people in them safely and quickly. This whole plan doesn’t do that at all. Aslo, in the old thread there will not be a bike lane(which I had argued would’ve been pointless anyway). But narrowing 2 perfectly good lanes of traffic that has worked fine for over half a century to feed some nebulous ideal that’s demonstrably wrong and dangerous is a foolish waste of tax dollars.

        • @nobody,

          Nobody, if you continue to leave the fake email address you are leaving, I will be forced to ban your comments.

        • Frank

          @nobody, BUGG get a job

  • Anonymous

    They should have repaved all of the old section instead of creating this waste of taxpayer money

  • Rut Roh

    Picture this in your head for a minute. Pedestrian Island in place, rush hour, cars lined up in both directions on Gerritsen Avenue waiting for a green light. Engine 321 gets a phone alarm for a fire or other emergency in the Beach. In the past, there would always be room for them to slide through traffic. They now have no where to go with that island in place, except to sit and wait for traffic to clear. That Island will act like a barrier preventing a fast response and risking valuable time.

    • avail

      @Rut Roh, Not even rush hour…what happens when the belt is backed up and the traffic comes up through Knapp to get to flatbush. we cant get through now with both lanes what make people think 321 can get through. Where was the town meeting for this project…I guess they didn’t want this idea shot down like Greenstreets was.

      • anonymous

        @avail, You are so right, what about all the cars trying to get out of Key Food parking lot on a Saturday afternoon. I remember at Christmas time the traffic lined up Avenue U trying to get to KingsPlaza. Why is the city spending this money on this useless garbage when the city is having fiscal problems, how come we, the taxpayers have no say in how our money is being spent?

        • Beachwalker

          @anonymous, What about the people on Stuart Street, between V and U? The traffic already backs all the way down the block with people trying to avoid the Gerrittsen and U intersection, this is going to make life hell for the people on that block. I think the holiday Kings Plaza traffic is going to be ridiculous. As it is you sometimes have to wait 3 light changes before you can get thru, now it will only be worse. Is this being paid for with Obama stimulus dollars? Either way we are paying for something stupid.

        • Anonymous

          @anonymous, biggest waste of time and money. they should have used the money to repave the streets in the beach instead. the dot claimed city had no money for it. was this necessary? this is gonna cause more accidents and traffic jams. just our wonderful mayor wasting tax dollars. give us a break!!!!!

  • George R. Broadhead

    You have proven, that following the same schedule that DOT uses to determine whether the traffic pattern on Gerritsen Ave. “needs” a traffic light or Stop sign at a location or two, the answer is a resounding “no”; if you check the avenue on a holiday–as they did recently–or video the smooth drive at the lightest traffic time during inclement weather. How about making the same drive with your video during school hours and rush time to and from work hours. The line-up from Knapp St. & Avenue W is backed-up as far as Devon Avenue. The other night, at Ave. U and Gerritsen, it was bedlam! At a meeting with DOT, we were told, the plans they are using (except for taking out the bike lane they planned to share with buses and cars) were drawn about 10 years ago. No accounting for additional stores on the west side of the street, or the large Walgreen’s store that will be opening soon (where the Foursome was located); nor was the the very busy gas station and convenience store where it is. Has anyone from DOT seen how cars criss-cross from every direction to get in and out of that station, right where traffic turns onto Knapp St. towards Belt Pkwy.? I’m forwarding pictures I took the other night, at Gerritsen and Ave. U. That is the more frequent scenario.

  • new driver

    I happen to think the island by avenue U is going to be a disaster. There are people crossing and rushing across trying to cath the B3, there are cars turning, the firhouse can potentially be delayed in traffic and honestly KEY FOOD traffic is already horrendous during busy shopping hours…how are the cars supposed to get in and out of that lot without getting backed up?

    as far as the no left turn, well it will take some getting used to, and i suppose avenue T will be effected with more thru traffic, i can see how it would be a good idea, but if its only one lane and the person in front of you is making a stalled right how are you supposed to get around to continue straight without causing more delays with that silly island?

    im a new driver, and i dont drive fast, and i do drive safe, but when there is alot of traffic on gerritsen ave it is very aggrevating that there is only one lane in and out…we are a neighborhood with little traffic options and this really slows us down…im not a fan

    • Frank

      @new driver, wasnt that a great way to waste our money, when they figure out it was all a big mistake bloomy should pay for it out his own pocket and stop trying to tak us for his mistakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Arthur B

    We need to revolt and go tear the crap out of the cement divider.

  • Anonymous

    There is no way anyone thought of anytype of safety when they dreamt this problem up. From the fire department having runs into the Beach or to the Belt to working person trying to just get home or to work.
    Let’s see if we have this right. Four lanes of northbound traffic into one lane, (two from Gerristsen two from Knapp), okay my math is a little off but how does 4 go into 1. Add during morning rush hour the bus lines coming out of the Beach, the school buses taking kids to school and oh yeah the run off buses who are coming from Emmons Ave down Knapp St back to depot on Flatbush and Fillmore. This morning four buses piggy backed together through the Knapp St and Gerritsen Ave intersection and had everyone blocked for four lights. I guess to add more expense to this brillant idea the city and MTA will have to add more headway time to the buses, I see it now, what use to be a less then 30 minute bus run for the B31 will be 45 minutes to a hour. And as far as the school buses (which I usually have no great love for) getting the kids to school is the city going pay the bus companies to change their schedules to get the picks and drop offs done on time or are they ging to tell the schools to have a grace period so kids aren’t late or are the bus drivers going to have to drive like racing madmen to drop kids off and get to their next rounds.
    Hey DOT if you have all this capital money why not try these dreams out some where else, maybe like Linden Blvd near Shepherd or Atlantic near Flatbush or 4th Ave, lets see how it works there and how happy and accepting people from those areas will be when they realize there local fire department has to take a major detour or sit in traffic because a garden is preventing them from reaching you in a quick and efficent way

  • Anonymous

    Once again Our MONEY at WASTE!! Any one else, any other ways we can just throw our money away? Remember no good ideas need applie!!

    Just waste becase we don’t want it!! What a JOKE!!

  • bagels

    I think is’s disgusting that the city talks about the sad state of the budget and how taxes will be raised and services cut on one hand and then goes ahead and spends money on something that is not need or wanted by the very people who will be most impacted. This kind of thing is probably going on throughout the city and the end result will be pissed off tax paying citizens. Does the city have plans to cut the budget of the DOT also or is that reserved solely for the DOE, cops and fire?

    • Beachwalker

      @bagels, Ditto to all that and PLUS what do you think about the announcement yesterday that one of the first orders of business of th re elected king Bloomberg, is to raise our property taxes AGAIN by another 8%!!!! The article said that we should thank the city council, The King WANTED 14%. And then to see all the money they piss away at nothing but creating the vision he sees for the city. This project is right up there with the lawn chairs in Times Square. Like he’s decorating a giant mansion with us paying the bill. We should orgainize a date and time and all get in our cars and go up to U and Gerrittsen and create the biggest traffic jam this city has ever seen. Fill Knapp Street, Gerrittsen, Stuart and every parking lot and space up there for a few hours. We should make it a giant tailgate party! lol.

      • bagels

        @Beachwalker, I think it’s time for a tea party! The DOT must have one hell of a budget because they’re ripping up and repaving the streets here in MP. Do those streets really need repaving at this point in time? No, they don’t. When you want to keep kids busy and mindlessly engaged while you talk on the phone you give them “busy work” – you know, work that has no real significance or value. That’s what the DOT did these last few days with their little “traffic calming” project on Gerrittsen Avenue-busy work. With another substantial real estate hike for next year the middle class will, once again, take a kick in the ass from mighty king Bumberg.

        • Beachwalker

          @bagels, We can get the tea at On The Run!! Meanwhile, Gerrittsen Beach has plenty of courts that need repaving, and they are ignored. Maybe because it is a logistical nightmare, but some homeowners here really suffer because of it. I wonder if DOT is in the end year spending rush like schools are. If you don’t spend your whole budget this year, they will give the agency less to work with next year. Or I wonder if it is Obama stimulus money? Either way we are paying for it, which I don’t mind keeping people in jobs, but at least give us a project that makes sense.

  • Joan Byrnes, Director of Community Affairs

    Senator Golden has expressed the neighborhood’s discontent to the Department of Transportation (DOT) Borough Commissioner, Joseph Palmieri, as well as formally put in the complaints he received regarding specific changes to the plan to the Borough Commissioner. The Senator is hoping that DOT can try to work with the residents for the best possible outcome.
    Joan Byrnes
    Director of Community Affairs
    State Senator Golden’s Office
    jbyrnes@senate.state.ny.us
    718-238-6044

  • sully

    Just saw the first of many accidents to come on u and gerritsen thanks to the new pattern. A minivan and suv hit each other just before 7:30pm

  • cruiser

    Tell me if I’m right – is this really going to leave us ONE lane of traffic in each direction (plus the mall plus parking)? When there is a truck delivery to one of the stores do we all just have to sit and wait for them to finish delivering? (Right now we can go out onto the lines and pass them by.) And if a fire engine needs to get down to the Beach, where are the cars going to go? And for those of us who live in the Old Section, even if we go through the courts, we run into the Canal and can’t go any further. This is a disaster in the making. At least in Manhattan Beach they still have two lanes in each direction (one with those lines). Are we all just going to wait unti this is done to get together on this and do something? Or don’t many of you know they are talking about from our end of Gerritsen all the way up to Nostrand Avenue.

  • anon

    It will be a disaster, no way around it. People in homes on Gerritsen Ave trying to get out of their garages; the increase of traffic making the left onto Ave W to avoid Avenue U. Trucks delivering to Key Food and excess traffic from the Belt onto Gerritsen. I say we take the DOT and have them sit for four lights waiting to pass through!!! I guess the decided on this plan on a Sunday morning at 7 am…….what a joke! And we still don’t have lights on Gerritsen near the Skate Park and Library……

  • Anonymous

    People we ALL need to flood 311 with every complaint and problem that is seen everytime. Complain about everything and anything from the DOT construction crews parking on the sidewalk, to them double parking, to standing around smoking and drinking coffee (I believe it is now illegal in NYC for anyone to smoke at ANY construction site), complain about buses coming off Knapp St onto Gerritsen blocking the intersection and crosswalk, complain the traffic light is to short or to long, complain that engine 321 can not get through traffic or is blocked by the concrete to answer runs, complain school buses are being delayed in getting children to school.
    The Mayor has a policy that if a complain is received 3 times in an eight hour period at 311 it must be responded to and answered in eight hours. By flooding 311 with compaints about the crews, the buses, the traffic lights and anything else would force DOT, MTA and any other city agency t go out and visit the site and make recommendations

  • John

    Ms. Byrnes,

    Can Senator Golden articulate why he is consistently against traffic safety measures, such as the traffic median described above, in Gerritsen Beach? Will he put forth an alternate plan that will lead to the same speed and injury reductions that the DOT plan will? Furthermore, will he restore the bike lane to the plan that was approved by the local Community Board in the City’s Bike Master Plan? Can he tell us why it was dropped in a private meeting and without pubic review? In sum, will he listen to the experts instead of uninformed hysteria?

    Sincerely,
    A Resident

    • Anonymous

      @John, You wanted a “public review” (you typed pubic LOL)??? wouldnt that have included people of “uninformed hysteria”?? I had assumed that the experts had just done what they wanted in this situation, the DOT has experts? who? how does one become an expert in traffic? If there truly was an expert who could lay out the hard facts maybe there wouldnt be such “uniformed hysteria”.

    • Anonymous

      @John, I think I am a traffic expert, especially at Ave U and Gerritsen, I drive throught there every day as do most of the unifromed hysterics. Who better than us to know what will and what will not work at the intersection?

    • Joan Byrnes, Director of Community Affairs

      Dear John,
      First of all, Senator Golden is not against traffic safety measures, he has made the numerous requests for a traffic light at Channel Avenue and a turn signal at Avenue U on Gerritsen Avenue and always works to promote traffic safety in Gerritsen Beach and throughout his district. Senator Golden represents the people and takes into account their opinions on the matters at hand. The Senator would not ask for changes without the experts approval but his goal is to promote safety while representing the people’s needs. Adjustments to the traffic plan were suggested, he has not asked for the DOT to reverse the entire plan which might cause safety issues. Furthermore, we cannot tell you why the bike lane was dropped as he was not a part of that meeting. Leaders of the local civic groups and the Community Board were involved in the meeting at Councilman Fidler’s office. I hope that you will contact Senator Golden with your concerns as many others have done regarding this and many other issues involving the neighborhood.
      Kind regards,
      Joan Byrnes
      Director of Community Affairs
      State Senator Golden’s Office
      jbyrnes@senate.state.ny.us
      718-238-6044

      • John

        @Joan Byrnes, Director of Community Affairs,

        Ms. Byrnes,
        Traffic lights are very minimally safety devices. They depend on the optional compliance of street users, and do nothing to fix problems inherent in the design of streets, especially overly wide ones like Gerritsen Avenue. So, asking for traffic lights does not do much for Senator Golden’s street safety resumee. Furthermore, his killing of Greenstreets, and his empty words and current failure to back any coherent plan all add up little more than empty gestures.

        Sometimes the people are behind and need to be educated and inspired. The DOT, though now much better in their sensible plans and engineering, are still not very good at community organizing and outreach — selling their plans. This is where strong, enlightened political leaders can have a role. In this case, both the people and the “leaders” are 50 years behind the science and practice of traffic calming. I’d respectfully advise the Senator to get learning and to start leading.

        • Uninformed hysteric

          @John, John, what are your credentials?

        • Joan Byrnes, Director of Community Affairs

          Senator Golden is certainly educated on traffic safety measures after fifteen years in public office and as a retired police officer. He is a leader in every sense and supports the desires of the community and residents. You are mistaken when you write that Senator Golden “killed” the green streets proposal. Meetings, news reports, and other ways, would prove to you that it was the community who did not want the project and thus, Senator Golden, as their representative, decided to let the project drop. The residents of Gerritsen Beach made it very clear to Senator Golden that they did not want the project and thus it did not go forward.
          I will make Senator Golden aware of your posting and we will keep your thoughts in mind as we proceed on this issue.

          • Holy Moses

            @Joan Byrnes, Director of Community Affairs, Yes he listened to the community about the green street project, but in all actuality – isn’t this current project the same thing without cement dividers (islands or whatever you call them)? Somebody gave the go-ahead, whether it be the ‘powers that be’ or the DOT themselves the ability to carry this out without a thought about the disastrous results.

            Again, I reiterate – not one person I know even heard about this until they saw DOT trucks on Gerritsen Avenue and until this website posted the news. How can you diminish two lanes of traffic down to one without considering the volume of traffic in recent times? (not to mention the proximity of Engine 321)

          • Anonymous

            @Holy Moses, This is not golden at all. This is fidler and he is taking all of the credit for it and proud.

  • Dewrock

    OK, just pass an accidents on gerritsen between Ave U & T. A five car pile up that included a school mini van. Didn’t see any kids but hope all is OK. So much for the DOT helping reduce traffic to prevent accidents.

  • Lizi

    This morning’s accident was on Gerritsen between S and Ford. Looked like 2 cars, a van, a pickup, and a school mini van. There’s still a helicopter overhead so maybe we’ll find out more on the news.

  • Joan Byrnes, Director of Community Affairs

    Dear John,
    First of all, Senator Golden is not against traffic safety measures, he has made the numerous requests for a traffic light at Channel Avenue and a turn signal at Avenue U on Gerritsen Avenue and always works to promote traffic safety in Gerritsen Beach and throughout his district. Senator Golden represents the people and takes into account their opinions on the matters at hand. The Senator would not ask for changes without the experts approval but his goal is to promote safety while representing the people’s needs. Adjustments to the traffic plan were suggested, he has not asked for the DOT to reverse the entire plan which might cause safety issues. Furthermore, we cannot tell you why the bike lane was dropped as he was not a part of that meeting. Leaders of the local civic groups and the Community Board were involved in the meeting at Councilman Fidler’s office. I hope that you will contact Senator Golden with your concerns as many others have done regarding this and many other issues involving the neighborhood.
    Kind regards,
    Joan Byrnes
    Director of Community Affairs
    State Senator Golden’s Office
    jbyrnes@senate.state.ny.us
    718-238-6044

  • Holy Moses

    Maybe some of our community leaders should take a first-hand look themselves at what is being done and all the things to come.

    I ask any of you who have posted here that has traveled anywhere around the 321 firehouse:

    How many times have you seen the firetrucks pass onto oncoming traffic? I know I have and with two lanes, there was a means to move aside and let them through. Now with ONE lane open, NO WHERE for traffic to go, and an added ISLAND – calculate the potential delay in response time.

  • anonymous

    You know what is going to be lots of fun? How about when it snows, streets covered with snow and cars coming off the Belt can’t see the white lines painted on the street and roll right onto the median!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    The Mayor is fighting the MTA Employees for their much deserved raise increases & they go and spend money on unnecessary stuff like this …. Good Job To The NYC,DOT & Bloomburg … It seems as if the voting public elected the right candidate again

  • anonymous

    Two lanes from Knapp st merging into one lane on Gerritsen……..Hmmmm

    • Holy Moses

      @anonymous, That was changed. Off Knapp, you now have the option of one left-hand turn, or one-right hand turn. Pick your poison because both options are a nightmare whether heading towards Avenue or going towards Avenue V to Stuart.