According to the complaints at local meetings and emails received, the main problem with Amici is the bikes and bikers, they are loud, very loud. When there are dozens of bikes going up and down Gerritsen Avenue to and from Amicis, according to complaints, it becomes a constant nuisance. Then when it comes time for the group to leave, its one massive sound boom which can only be compared to a concorde.
Another major complaint is that they usually decide to shut down north and southbound traffic so they can all leave together. It has become a quality of life issue for many people, that surround Amici’s and use Gerritsen Avenue.
Then comes their sidewalk cafe.
A concerned resident said at a Property Owners meeting that the sidewalk cafe in front of Amici’s is illegal. Big whoop right? In case you don’t know: A sidewalk cafe is basically tables and chairs in front of an establishment.
During a recent Property owners meeting, it was discussed that the owner of Amici’s feels that why should he pay the city 7 or 9 grand when the fine is only $150.
The Dept of Consumer affairs (which issues the permits to have the sidewalk cafe)starts fines at $2,500. They also can and will shut down a business for lack of a sidewalk cafe permit for up to 30 days. There is even a nifty complaint form right on the DCA website on top of calling 311.
So there it is. What do you think?
I have no problem with them using Amici’s as a gathering place. Bikers, for the most part, are generous people.
My problem is definitely the Noise explosion……consideration for people who keep different hours then they do is a must. Isn’t there a way for them to turn down the pipes at 2:00 am when most people are sleeping? It’s awful to be unable to open a window in the cooler weather and being startled awake by (with no exaggeration) up to 20-25 bikes speeding down the avenue onto Avenue W.
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I’m glad Amici is doing business.
I guess none of them live on the block or around the block. This isn’t City, they need to realize its a neighborhood with children and working parents. They should have RESPECT for ALL, Not just for themselves…..
They don’t own the street and shouldn’t take advance of their manpower by shutting down the street for them to leave.
I find it amazing that the Owner isn’t going out of his way to keep his business running and his neighbors happy.
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@Ginger1, I think we owe the owner of Amici’s a Big Thank You for a few reasons. By utilizing the sidewalks which are more than big enough, he has cut down on energy consumpsion by using the airconditioning less. He has encouraged people to purchase motorcycles which stimulates the economy and happens to use less gasoline as well as taking up less parking spots in the neighborhood. So I want to say Thank You for being GREEN and caring obout our enviornment!
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@Frank, Are you really making a Green argument here? Bull!
Fact is he needs a permit to have those tables and chairs outside. and i remember seeing the doors open the entire summer, so dont give us this green bull
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calm down frank
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@, Yes a permit is required, so does the Bagel store, the pizza place, the laundrymat, etc… They all have outdoor seating. This is a beach community if you really want to complain about something I can give you tons of places to go where the violations would be much much more serious. But it seems we would much rather take the money out of the pockets of hard working people that we live with. Seriously I know of some mechanic shops that operate after business hours and with out a license. I seen some old lady jaywalking by the projects, there are doughnut marks in the street by the Bantry that were not made by motorcycles..Seriously Go after someone else. Enough!!!
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It is nice to see a GB Business doing well, loud bikes are a way of life nowadays, for me it is the same as a horn or the Vollies siren. Try for one second to put yourself in the owners shoes, you invest in a business, it struggles out of the gate, after many sleepless nights of worry business picks up and you develop a steady clientel, do you turn away your best customers in the interest of trying to make everyone content? Also this is GB, if 50 boy scouts showed up there every night someone would still complain.
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Although the noise is a very big factor especially at night, i do appreciate the bikes on the avenue. It’s good to see Amici’s do well in an economy that has gotten so bad. This is not a “gang” and does not pose a threat to anyone. Compared to others on the avenue, they don’t vandalize or do any damage to anything and have become a comfortable presence if you have to walk down the avenue at night.
If I have to wait 2 minutes so all of them can leave together safely, so be it.
Perhaps a sit down with them may come to a solution that makes everyone happy, especially with school starting next week.
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there is a sign out there please respect our neighbours.
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I seen the owner is try to keep the noise down the bikes.He has a sign made up please respect our neighbours on one side and the other side of the sign please leave slowly.The other thing is half the people in gb has bikes and not all the bikes that blast down the ave are from amici’s.
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When it gets too cold to ride the bikes, you people will find something else to beatch about.
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Amici is a biker establishment complete with a motorcycle clubhouse next door at what used to be Champions Fitness.
The clubhouse is claimed by the biker group Devil’s Minions, who are affiliated with the 69ers. these are serious guys.
Who cares if they put up a sign! They also have a 30 plus sign on the door.
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If noise form motorcycles is a problem, then they are probably illegal. Call the cops, and tell them to arrest the drivers and confiscate the bikes. Of course the NYPD won’t actually DO their job.
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@mike, YOU KNOW IT IS AMAZING THAT YOU WILL ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LOUD MOTORCYCLES BUT THERE ARE NO WORRIES ABOUT THE UNDERAGED DRINKING AND DRIVING THAT GOES ON IN THE BEACH. WHAT ABOUT THE CARS RACING UP AND DOWN THE AVENUE MAKING IT EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO CROSS OR DRIVE AT NIGHT ? WHAT ABOUT THE UNDERAGED KIDS WHO ARE DRUNK AND DRIVING LOOKING FOR A GOOD FIGHT ? WHAT ABOUT THE JUNKIES LOOKING TO STEAL BICYCLES OR BREAK INTO CARS ? HOW ABOUT GETTING TO KNOW THESE BIKERS WHO HANG OUT AT AMICI’S AND SEEING WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT. I KNOW THAT I FEEL VERY SAFE WALKING IN THE BEACH AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT THE BIKERS ARE AT AMICI’S AND KEEPING AN EYE ON THE AREA. I HAVE BEEN IN AMICI’S NUMEROUS TIMES AND HAVE NEVER FELT THREATENED OR OUT OF PLACE. THE PEOPLE AT AMICI’S ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND THE BIKERS ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO HELP OUT A GOOD CAUSE. THE BIKERS ARE ALSO LOOKING TO SUPPORT SOME LOCAL BENEFITS SO BE OPEN MINDED AND GO GET TO KNOW THESE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU POINT A FINGER…. THANK YOU DM
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@SEAN LOUIS,
Sean, can you yourself stop pointing fingers(you incredibly complain about finger pointing as you use both of your hands to point to numerous unrelated issues) and address the real issue? I will spell it out. THE NOISE FROM THE 20-25 BIKES LEAVING TOGETHER AT 2:00AM IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE INNOCENT NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CHILDREN WHO LIVE NEARBY. There you go. Stay on topic and come up with something that is constructive to solve the problem for all to be happy, instead of ignoring it and painting the bikers as some sort of saviors of GB. If the bikers are “keeping an eye on the area”, then why do all the incidents you mentioned still keep happening? Surely the bikers will have eradicated all these problems by now, in your opinion anyway. And we all know that these biker guys and gals are good people, willing to help out many causes, go the extra mile for good deeds. But there is a problem with the noise that they need to alleviate it.
Do you have children?? Infants?? Do you live near Amici’s and have had your children and infants woken up in the middle of the night because of the loud motorcycles? Or have you been woken up yourself at 2AM when you had to get up for work at 6AM??If not, then you should politely STFU, or come up with a solution to the real problem, instead of pointing fingers at everthing else wrong in this neighborhood. School is starting, so this problem is only gonna get worse.
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@GB Parent, Measures are being taken to try and alleviate the noise problem, we sat at Amicis last night with the sign for noise making sure all bikers approaching even those not stopping at Amicis tried to keeping it down. However we witness one of the loudest bikes on Geritsan Ave, a dirt bike ripping up and down the avenue on a wheelie, with no baffle, an open straight pipe. Two weeks ago while sitting out at Amicis one of your local innocent children threw glass beers bottles out of the car, right near the bar.
You can also not lump all of us into one catagory, there are some people that come down the avenue that do not even stop at Amicis they just race down the avenue, We hope by putting the sign out side we can stop the problems however we cannot stop everone. Anyway all we can do is try.
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@Sean, I especially like the doughnut tire marks in front of the Bantry Bar which is only a block away, hmmm i wonder how much noise comes from there! How many underage drinkers are there and when I pass by they take up the sidewalk and the street. The dirt bikes screaming up and down the avenue at night usually come from the Bantry. The race cars (which are loud) whichspeed up and down the avenue and risk lives of innocent people, usually stop at the Bantry Bar. Maybe more efforts should be put into stopping underage drinking and young adults driving dangerously and doing drugs!!
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i agree!!!
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@mike, the nypd wont do their job becouse there to scared to approch the bikers
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@352, No they are to scared to go into the Bantry
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@352, NO TRUE,,,A GOOD NUMBER OF -THOSE BIKER—ARE N.Y.P.D.
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@anon, A good number of those bikers are not COPS asshole…
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@GB Anon, Really the NYPD does not do much down here except give tickets to our parked cars to show their presence. The noise problem has lessened and will get lesser as time goes on, the owner is working feverously on correcting the problem with the help of the Devil’s Minion. They are concerned and they do care! People at Amici’s are adults most with children and do care about GB. All that is said is what can we do to correct the problem at the Bantry and the young kids speeding and driving recklessly. I believe it may be a more serious problem.
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Bob, the owner of Amici’s, attended a GBPOA meeting prior to a fund-raiser, to alert our community about the number of motorcycles that would undoubtedly participate. He had gotten a permit from NYPD for the event. Since Amici transitioned from an espresso cafe to a bar, popular with motorcyclists, there has not been any fights (on 3 occasions, over a 2 year period, someone was barred to prevent a problem).
We have had calls from senior citizens, and parents of babies, who were awakened in the early a.m., and we addressed the matter with Bob. Since that time, he has had signs made to remind the bikers about common courtesy on behalf of the community, when leaving in the a.m. hours. We are not dealing with an arrogant attitude towards our community. We are dealing with an owner of a business, who is a resident and property owner in the beach, who is making a concerted effort to correct the noise problem. As has been suggested, not all of that noise can be attributed to the one source, so let’s give it some time to see if the noise has diminished favorably. Let’s couple this with another recent complaint: a person who has lived in Gerritsen Beach, moved to a location nearer the Vollies, and has now complained about the “Vollies” horn (not siren) going off at night. That horn is used to summon other volunteers to the fire house. It is limited to the hours of 0800 to 11 pm. The call of that horn has probably saved countless lives. Often, the “sirens” from Breezy Point or Roxbury, can be heard–and they do not have a time limit. It seems to come down to this: “One man’s noise, is another man’s music”, or visa versa. The problem is not being ignored, and follow-up will continue….
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@George Broadhead, Why would anyone move near the horns if the sound of the horns were going to be a problem? Sounds like they have issues of their own, not with the horns.
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@George Broadhead, Thank You George that was well said!!!
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I should have added: follow-up will continue, until a satisfactory solution has been reached!
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I think everyone should just leave Amici’s alone….never once did anyone who stays there bother ,disrespect,or even say a word to anyone passing by,unless it was Hello…ok,so the bikes are load..big deal…the kids yelling on the ave are load to…and so they stop traffic to let the bikes go…that is to make sure that they pull out safely,and the cars speeding up the ave don’t hit them..and what does take all of 45 seconds….I see things posted on here about Amici’s ….A nice looking clean place….But not a F@#king word on the Bantry bar where the cops are called at least 2-3 times a night,,,fights all the time,,throwing bottles in the street,,you can’t walk past the place without some Assh@le making a comment,Not to mention the front of the place is dirty,,,garbage lines the street and sidewalk,,,,And you people are worried about a few tables and chairs……go figure….OPEN your eyes people you’s are looking the wrong way…I’ll take the noise of the motorcycles,rather than the Assholes with comments throwing bottles,fighting,dirty ,filthy,smelly ,run down Bantry any day
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Forgot to mention that they also let underaged kids drink there…….you WON’T see that at Amici’s……..
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IT AMAZES ME HOW QUICK THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN GB ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE THE MOTORCYLES MAKE, AND THE TABLES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE PLACE!!! THEY SHOULD WORRY HOW THEIR CHILDREN DRIVEN DOWN THAT AVE WHO SPEED DOWN THE BLOCK ..WHEN I WAS THERE LAST WEEK I SEEN A JEEP FLYIN DOWN THE BLOCK WITH SOMEONE HANGING OUTSIDE THE DOOR..THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT THE BIKERS ARE THERE …I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR THEM AND I FEEL VERY SAFE & PROTECTED BY THEM THEY WATCH OUT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY WHAT IS 2 MINS TO WAIT FOR THEM TO LEAVE …WITH THE WAY THEY DRIVE DOWN THAT AVE YOU HAVE TO STOP TRAFFIC..I WOULDNT WORRY ABOUT THE MOTORCYCLES MAKING NOISE I WOULD WORRY MORE ABOUT THE KIDS THAT SPEED DOWN GB AVE
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@DEE, well said dee
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Loud bikes dont kill people, only the assholes who speed down Allen Avenue and Gerritsen Avenues. Leave Amicis alone I know anyone of those bikers would help anyone who needed them.
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Being a biker myself I understand the need to respect my neighbors, Have many time had to let up on my throttle in order to prevent from waking up people on my block.
Most bikes are really not as loud as it seams, But for one person that I know who has become a member of the club on Gerritsen Avenue has obscenely loud mufflers. He really does not have to open his throttle the way he does to get home on Knapp st, specially in the hours of 1am to 3am on the weekdays.
So, If he reads this. Please let up on your throttle during the weekdays. And let your throttle RIP!! weekends, I know how good it feels.
As for stopping traffic on the Ave or anywhere els, a moment of time won’t kill me to wait
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@Dewrock, The person that lives on Knapp street Johnny T is not part of any club, he is not a Devil Minion. I know the Devils Minion and he does not represent them and can be approached solo about his loud obnoctious pipes.
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@Dewrock,
I will not hit the throttle anymore at those am hours, but im not the only biker who goes up ave w and allen ave with loud pipes at those hours, sorry for waking you people up, sleep good!
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@Johnny T, OH BY THE WAY IF (ANYONE) WANTS TO APPROACH ME ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE.
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@Johnny T, ok be there soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No need to stop by unless its for a buger & beer, I thank you, my family thanks you.
RIDE SAFE & RIDE FREE
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@Dewrock, IM HAVING A SMALL BBQ TOMORROW COME BY, FORGET THE BURGER, HAVE A STAKE AND ALOT OF BEER RU WELCOME ANYTIME TO COME BY HAVE A GOOD NIGHT
JOHNNY T
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I love bugers and stake. ….I like burgers and steak so much better.
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@so funny, STAKE IT MEANS I WANT TO PUT ONE IN YOUR HEART A-DUHHHH,,,,,HAVE A GOOD NIGHT ALL
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@Johnny T, I prefer a STEAK and burgers also. Not sure what you mean by a stake but if it is good enjoy…
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HA HA HA, now I know why I left the beach.
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Good riddence. Now stay away & don’t read this blog, it only proves you are lonely & miss the beach.
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@lifelong beacher, HA HA lifelong beacher, no wonder, ha ha.
I can’t stay away because I own, yes own, a store on the Avenue…..that’s why i read this blog and yes I know you’re a sh*thead, so don’t ever tell me what to do. I do think u should go potty though, cause you’re so full of it. P.S. You couldn’t leave the beach if u wanted, ur mommy pays the rent.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!
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Hey former beacher, Why don’t you tell us the name of your sh!thole so we can avoid it?
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@Former beacher, “I KNow you are but what am I” Please stop acting like a 6 year old although entertaining and amusing. Funnier that you possibly own a business that I am sure was given to you by your parents cause your general attitude shows that you could not even run an ATM machine. With your child like attitude only proves that your business was given to you with a silver spoon and you moved out cause you could not handle being an adult. Please take your business with you
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@Former beacher, DRUNKEN LOWLIFE KIDS ///TURNING INTO NO RESPECT DRUNKEN USLESS ADULTS…..THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE—TOO OFTEN DOWN HERE….DONT BELIEVE IT>>>>GET YOUR VIDEO CAMERA AND SIT ON THIS AVENUE BETWEEN 2,30 AM AND 4.30 AM…..YOU MIGHT GET SOME FAMILY MOVIES…………………….
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@Former beacher, Believe it or not this happens all over..lol
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@, YEP!!!!!!!!!
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some jerk amost took the sign out on the ave last night and i think it the guy from knapp st
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It boils down to this.
Stop racing up and down the ave after leaving the bar at 2 am and you all will not have to hear ppl bitch.
It is the same bike all the time.
When school starts this will be a big problem.
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@, at appx 2.ooam last nite,of of these neighborhood kids(not any biker)drove down the avenue in excess of 100 mph.and crashed into another idiot outside the bantry bar…i dont think anyone was killed—mayby next time! p.s it was a burgundy expedition that was doin the 100,,,
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ha burgundy epedition doing 100 yea right!!! how many drinks did u have. because one the driver of the galant made an ILLEGAL u turn and two there were no people standing outside the bar. so before you making accusations. get your story straight. okay??
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@, We clocked him with a radar gun Yes an Expedition can do 100
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@, Yes, you are 100% correct but dont forget about the Dirt Bikes that run the avenue all night. But you are right the noise needs to be kept down and Amici’s does have a sign outside… Thank You Amici’s for showing that you care…
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@, p.s ,winter is coming,a lot of the bikes.(not all) go into storage till spring–this should cut the noise down considerably!!!also i see signs on the ave for the bikes to slow down,,,hopefully in time this will sink in –and the avenue will quiet down….so in ending this…>>>—we could all use ….to slow down a bit..
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Loud pipes saves lives – Go Amici.
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1818 Throws their full support behind DM…
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@1818
since when is this a story about devils minions? the story is about amici. oh but maybe you mean they are one and the same!
I for one am tired of people being led out the back to go and gamble nxt door. this little sotry could be so much more. how much money flows through there each week?
Amici-gate vs woodchip gate lol
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@,
I dont mean anything except that I see where this is going. I also was not the first to mention the any particular club in these responses..All I’m sayin is, yes maybe the noise needs to be quelled to a minimum, but other than that I cant see any reason for Amici’s or any MC to come under fire for this. If this complaint is solved than it’ll just move on to the next legitimate business that someone gets a hard on for…Let me ask this if instead of a MC usin the bar as a hang out, would their be suspicions if it was a softball team usin the bar. I’m not talkin bout noise, but bout your unfounded gambling claim…My opinion to that is I think not. If so than people would say the same bout the beach bar and the softball teams that go there after there games…I’ve yet to hear that, but who knows that’ll probably be next…lol
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@1818 lifer, Yes, finally someone hit it right in the head. Enough with Amici’s because the owner is doing everything he can to keep the noise down. So now lets move on to the next case. “UNDERAGED DRUNK DRIVERS SPEEDING DOWN THE AVENUE” Hint: Accident this weekend and thank GOD no one died but the drivers where young plus drinking… Would anyone like to comment because I know being a REFORMED BEACH RAT that the truck speeding was from the beach…
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Just an observation……If the owners of the motorcycles are in Amici’s “supporting” the establishment ….doesn’t that mean they are drinking and then riding. If they are just hanging out then how does the establishment afford to stay open? Just a thought
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@anon, They have real good coffee there, real good, You BEACH RATS sould come in and try the coffee, If you want beer or hard sh-t they have it But if you do drink and get drunk,you will not be driving home, THATS A FACT!
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If he is able to stay open selling only coffee he should run the country!
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hes got my vote
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@anon, Amici’s has really good coffee and sweets to sped money on. So we dont have to be drinking to have a good time plus we dont have to drink until we are totally wasted like some of the other folks in the area. Oh, you know what I just realized you are all jealous that Amici’s is a clean respectable establishment. Clean working people that hang out at Amici’s really hurts the area and now I know why I moved out of the beach… Change is GREAT…
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Now did i say just coffee? come on we are all over the age of 30 in Amicis, I know some of the bikers leave there bikes inside if they have a little to much to drink at the end of the night! (FACT)
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@BAM, i,ve seen bikes left inside more then once,,,nice too know some people have the sense not ! to drink and drive..
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@BAM, I have left my Motorcycle inside Amici & I have had one of the motorcycle guys drive me home because I had to many drinks. These guys plus the owner are always looking out. As far as the noise is concerned Bobby the owner is working on it with all the bikers and I feel confident they Bobby will do the right thing by the community… Thank You Rider
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This is be going on to point of who care . So the people on here have no lifes All you have nothing else to do but bad mouth other people.
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@joe, i agree!!!!!!!!!
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@joe, What is this guy trying to say ?
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I see these people sitting outside amicis at night sometimes very late and you know what they do keep an eye on whats going on and the kids that walk home late. I myself am glad that some eyes are out their late at night knowing that they have these kids back. as far as the noise level I think they will have that under control. I have never seen anyone be disrespectful , only nice. As far as the horn for the vollies people please i live right near it and have for years get over it! You act like it ring every half hour be happy it dosen’t. Only when it is necessary and that would mean someone needs help! Please think of other more important things to complain about. To all the people at Amicis thank you for being a second pair of eyes and looking out for the beach.
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i live right next to the vollies,i got used to it so it doesnt bother me,,i dont bitch about the horn because they are always there to help my family and friends in an emeregency..would you rather not have them there?????if your gona bitch about noise then take your old a$$ to florida to a retirement home ,its quiet there!!!
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So what if they want to hang out in front of Amicis I pass by there and they r just haning would it make a difference if they were not bikers prob not every one in GB has a problem with everything. What about the dopes that ride on the quads when the baseball games are going on? No one says anything about that! or the fools that ride in the middle of the street when I am driving down Gerritsen ave Please give me a break!
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@l, They like to attack people who care..see if no one wrote back here they would go away. You can only hurt people who a)have a job b) people who own something c) people who care enough to respond back d) people who may be trying to better themselves or their property….because people are enveous and jealous of others
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I dont understand all the problems with Amici’s. I have been there numerous time, I am not a biker and I had some coffee and hung out with no problem. No one seemed to wanna start a fight and in fact everyone was friendly. I have also passed by late and it dosent exactly look like anyone there is getting ready for a rumble. As for the vollies horn, it has been going off since 1922 so why is it that now it has suddenly become a problem? As a vollie myself, we can always turn it off I suppose, but that could mean that someone doesn’t get us when they need us. We sometimes depend on that horn to alert us to an emergency.
We simply don’t have the money to update our communications to a level that would allow us to stop using the horn. Maybe some neighborhood contributions from someone other than the same loyal people who have been supporting us all these years. Lotta talk and no action
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There have always been people who complain about the horn. There are people who complain about St. James’ bells as well. People will complain about anything. You cannot please everyone so don’t bother trying.
Maybe we can get the bikers to hang out near the skate park or down the point to help with other problems.
Or maybe parents can pay attention and take responsibility when someone lets them know how their kid (in the white mustang with the black stripe up the hood or in the low rider pick up truck with the neon lights or in the red blazer with all his friends hanging out the windows) speeds up & down the avenue, making crazy turns off side streets and courts, screams obscenities at mothers with small children, waits at the point until old women walking their dogs try to cross at Lois and then come speeding up to scare them into running across the Avenue.
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@steve,H.D, i know them:their fathers could’nt give a damn:about their kids.great role models.
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@steve,H.D, Nightly throughout the old section.
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whered the other post go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why is this post not “Concerns about the Bantry”?
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@Joseph, AGREED, these idiots are to scared to complain or do something about a real issue!!!!!!!!!!
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@, ok like what?
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Maybe they need to open another Amici’s in the old section and have some bikers to help keep it safe to….it’s plain to see that the trouble is staying clear away from the new section,,They must be doing something right up that end……..All the scum is down here now…..We need more bikers here…..Thanks Amici’s…….
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Hey Assholes why dont you all get a life and leave Amici’s alone ? What about all the other dirty bars in the beach. Dont you people have a life instead of complaining about a clean business in the beach. You people really amaze me and you all should really move on to another issue. Amici’s has a sign out asking the bikers to keep the noise down and the only reason why they stop traffic when leaving is for safety.
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Amici is the type of establishment that every community should be proud to call their own. The bikers have always been respectful and I have no objections on waiting a few minutes to make certain they all depart as a group. It’s safer for everyone (bikers, pedestrians and cagers) when they do that.
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So now its illegal for motorcycles to ride down the avenue? You complain about the bikers, but what about the people on their dirtbikes and quads? Or what about all the teenagers hanging infront of everyones houses and businesses, getting drunk and destroying peoples property? You wanna complain, burning bet your the first one to show up to their fund raisers!! And so what if they shut down traffic for a whole 5 minutes so they can leave together. They ride “TOGETHER!!” Its not that bad. STOP BITCHING AND DEAL WITH IT!!!
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