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Meet Sheepshead Bay’s “Three Amigos!” Carl Kruger, Theresa Scavo, and Michael Nelson.
In front of Lundys – now Cherry Hill Market – the “Three Amigos” threw a surprise Good Friday photo opp. If a Good Friday photo op isn’t surprising to you, consider this: as a Good Friday Processional by St. Mark’s Church were walking by, they continued to take pictures. Barbara Berardelli of the Sheepshead Bay / Plumb Beach Civic Association actually had to ask them to stop out of respect for the occasion. While they complied, all three remained with their backs turned as the Processional proceeded. Father Grimaldi, of St. Marks even went over to acknowledge Councilman Nelson, who did not respond in kind.
Kruger, Scavo, Nelson and the people from Cherry Hill then debated their points of view regarding the building’s use. Kruger said that any business selling groceries (ie putting them in bags, cashiers, shopping carts, etc.) that’s not allowed on Emmons Avenue or in the Sheepshead Bay Special District. Meanwhile, there are at least two other small markets within three blocks of Cherry Hill, that bag groceries and have cashiers. Yet, they are not being targeted by the Three Amigos.
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When pressed, Senator Kruger had no answers as to why his press release pre-dated the actual DOB violations, and all three disclaimed credit for the stop work order. Scavo even went as far to say that Cherry Hill’s representatives were “giving us too much credit” for getting the work stopped – an interesting point to make considering they were all literally outside taking photos so they could all presumably take credit for stopping Cherry Hill. It might be worth nothing that Mike Nelson hardly uttered a word the whole time.
Then after the meeting on the street, Barbara Berardelli approached the “Three Amigos” and asked them how they could justify keeping her Civic Association in the dark about the stop work orders. She angrily took great offense to them doing all of this on Good Friday and noted their behavior of ignoring the procession of St. Mark’s. Scavo responded saying “You didn’t know(about the stop work order)? It was was all over the blog” (Apparently Gerritsenbeach.net is now the main source of information for Sheepshead Bay political news for local civics – not CB 15). I even heard Mrs. Berardelli scream out to Kruger “You don’t represent me!” she continued that the three of them would not have acted so disrespectfully if this were a Jewish Holiday, or if they were in a all-Jewish Neighborhood.
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Anthony Kelly, project manager of Cherry Hill, then gave his account of recent events. According to Kelly, DOB Deputy Commissioner Bryan Winter came into the building and told them that their plan approval has been revoked and that he was taking their copy of the plans away from them. Kelly responded by stating that the Brooklyn DOB commissioner Derrek Lee, Winter’s boss, had signed off that all work had been completed, therefore the building was no longer a work site and Winter’s actions were totally improper – and that there was no way Winter was leaving with their plans.
After further conversation, Winter left the premises and returned later that day with a new stop work order revoking the “sign off”, pulling the plan approval, and ordering that all work stop. Violations were for: (1) work contrary to plan and (2) use contrary to zoning. The work contrary to plans consisted of TWO shelve units that supposedly did not appear on the approved plans. The use contrary to zoning violation is DOB’s answer to the much debated question of whether Cherry Hill is a market or restaurant – DOB was declaring that the primary use was for a market. But, according to Kelly, the plans show that 60% of the floor area usage is for a restaurant, while 40% is used for a market, making the market use “accessory” in nature.
Since the issued violations, Cherry Hill is consulting an attorney regarding legal action not only to fight the DOB violations, but to consider whether the Three Amigos’ actions are wrongful.
Happy Easter!
Video of the entire “Meeting”
It’s more like the three stooges! How dare they, it so would not happen on a jewish holiday. They have some nerve, I will no longer support any of them.
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What do you expect? The Orthodox Jews have a special garbage collection set up for the sole purpose of picking up all the perfectly good food they throw out before Passover. They also have the blessing of the city to burn the food in the street. Why can’t that food be sent to homeless shelters and food pantries?
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another anti-semite beach rat -
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What’s anti semite about wanting to take food that’s not or needed and passing it along to those less fortunate?
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Holy crap bagels! Your absolutely right!!
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Happy Easter, Beachwalker.
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When the story is anti catholic….how do u justify calling anyone other then the 3 stooges anti semite? Oh I know, you must have jewish blood, you don’t care about the catholic point of view, only yours.
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I stand by my racial slur.
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I’m not even Jewish asshole
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Human roaches, feeding off each others garbage, the only thing you can’t buy here is dignity.”
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BEACH RATS LOVE THAT FOOD
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Great article. What’s going on here just doesn’t seem right.
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Lundy Bros. Restaurant/Cherry Hill Gourmet are Vital to the Community
What’s so terrible about the revival of a quality seafood restaurant (Lundy Bros.) and the addition of a gourmet market which allows its quality offerings such as deli, cooked/cold foods bakery items and gelato, to be enjoyed in a café atmosphere as well as taken home for dinner? What is so terrible about having organic foods and a quality bakery where none exist?
What is wrong with trying to resurrect an area in Sheepshead Bay which has been deteriorating for the past 30 plus years?
Ever since the demise of the famous Lundy Bros. restaurant in 1977, the Landmark Building has been vacant for the last 32 years except for two (2) short term failed attempts to open a seafood restaurant on a much smaller scale. It is clear that just a restaurant in this massive building cannot survive as the clientele that filled Lundy Bros. no longer exists.
In 1973 with all of the best intentions for the community Sheepshead Bay was designated as a “special district†to promote and strengthen the unique character of the area as a prime location for waterfront and recreational development and to help attract a useful cluster of shops, restaurants and related activities, which will complement and enhance the area.
Unfortunately, whether it was due to the changing makeup of our diverse community or the changes in the economy it appears that the “special district†zoning in some instances have been more of a hindrance than a help to revitalizing a community.
Vacant lots and vacant buildings only led to an abundance of garbage, rodent infestation and crime further deteriorating the community.
A July 9th, 1995 article in The New York Times it states, it was clear to Mr. John E. Nikas, Community Board 15 Chairman and Mr. Mitchell Corby, Director of the City Planning Department’s Brooklyn Office that “We’ve just got to accept that the district’s goals were never realized.â€
Why can’t the few complaining pundits wake up to the reality of history and the existing situation and help Cherry Hill resolve the zoning issue?
Recently my wife and I spent two (2) hours with Mr. David Isaev, President of Cherry Hill Gourmet discussing his plans and objectives in detail regarding the new Lundy Bros. Restaurant and Cherry Hill Gourmet. I have come away with an understanding as follows:
• The exterior of the building will be completely restored to conform to the Landmark Preservation requirements.
• The original Lundy Bros. lettering and awnings will also be restored to its original condition even though the lettering is not part of the façade and not a requirement of Landmark Preservation.
• The restaurant part of the business will be promoted and marketed to make every effort to revitalize the Lundy Bros. name and restaurant stature.
• The restaurant will be opened approximately 4-5 months later, due to construction timetable.
• Baskets in the gourmet area will only be allowed to exit the rear of the building into the parking lot. No baskets will be allowed on Emmons or Ocean Avenues.
Mr. Isaev has invested an enormous amount of money rebuilding a structure in shambles with the hope of building a successful business and revitalizing an area which is in desperate need of help. The work he has done in the parking lot appears to be a bigger investment that most businesses in the area have made.
Almost everyone I have spoken to that has seen the interior and had a preview of the plans are extremely positive and are eagerly awaiting the Grand Opening of the Cherry Hill Gourmet and Lundy’s New 4* Restaurant.
The battle needs to end for the benefit of the community. The issues regarding Landmark Preservation appear to be resolved. With Loehmann’s and condos already on Emmons Avenue, I believe, the zoning has changed dramatically from its original intent. It is time to sit down and together move forward with a solution instead of pointing fingers for politics or personal desires.
The community should also immediately address possible solutions for additional parking areas and a multitude of promotions to bolster the viability of our fishing/cruising fleet.
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Mr. Belsky comments are correct and should raise concerns among the residents of Sheepshead Bay. Just who do these Community Leaders and Elected Officials represent? I know of no Sheepshead Bay resident who isn’t looking forward to the opening of the “Cherry Hill Gourmet Marketâ€.
If these leaders are so concerned about the landmark status of the Lundy’s building then why was it let to be so run down? ( Abandoned) I was walking by when Senator Kruger was holding a Press Conference stating that he supported a stop work order. My Senator would only speak to the press, he would not reply to any of my questions… Why? The Senator was concerned about the sidewalk, the holes in the stucco, the awning being taken down and how fruit stands were going to be outside.
I would ask our leaders not only to support a new business like Cherry Hill Gourmet Market that will provide a service to the Sheepshead Bay residents. But to seek out and support other new businesses. Tell us what plans they have for the building and Sheepshead Bay. It was 1997 when the last business closed on market side of the building. Just how many residents use or support the present business inside the building now? Our leaders need to ask themselves, how many Sheepshead Bay residents want another restaurant on Emmons Ave? What about improving the quality of life for the residents? The location of the market will be a easy walk, giving the residents a choice of not driving, even with parking provided in a newly paved lot.
Most residents know the history of Irving Lundy, some even remember him. The “Lundy’s stucco style†building is a landmark and needs to be preserved. Just go by and see the different between the market’s eastside of the building and the westside. Compare the sidewalks, awnings, the leaded glass windows and the condition of the stucco walls. At night look at the market’s chandelers compared to the blue lights stuck in the windows at the other end. Go inside the market, go inside the other end of the building. Ask yourself which end of the building is being preserved.
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I was never asked what i would prefer and if i was the answer would have been a market. We have plenty of restaurants to eat seafood. The damage is already done to sheepshead bay. If the three stooges are so concerned about preserving sb where is their outrage over the tearing down of the steps that once lead to the sbay race track at the Gravesend neck Rd train station?
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The staircases at Neck Road station are still there. Unfortunately, they now truly lead nowhere as the rest of that area, which consisted of a fake hill with trees, was steam shoveled away.
The historical value of what is left is questionable. I have a sentimental attachment to those stairs but were only in use by the LIRR for less than 15 years. The platforms they led to are long gone.
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Lisanne, Those steps days are numbered. The Ave U and Neck Rd train stations are ion the beginning stages of a rebuilding. It will take a year or two but by then those stairs will only be in your memory. They are working on the southbound side first, you can’t get off at Ave U or Neck Rd anymore.
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The market looks a lot better than the broken down lundys that was there.The real problem should have been adressed 5 years ago when the ‘luxury ‘ apts were being built.Anyone ever notice how the condos are all “luxury”?but thats besides the point.
The market should stay and something really smells rotten here.and yes,this would never happen on such a holy day in ANY OTHER RELIGION.Christians are never of importance any more to anyone in gov’t.
The only good side to this economic downturn is that construction in and around gerrittsen beach-(KNAPP ST.-The lot across the bay,and the little mini condos that popped up around burnett st. to name a few.)has stopped.For now.the beach can remain the predominantly one family home (with a few apts. thrown in for our young adults to move into when they need their first apt.) area that it should be.Perhaps,now the community can join together and keep the developers out.I realize there are a few three family homes and 2 larger buildings on gerrittsen ave,but nothing like what happened to sheepshead bay should be allowed here.
But,if the economy hadn’t tanked ,it is exactly where it was heading.
Cherry hill market seem like a nice market.There is no reason for it not to exist.And the DOB hot shot comes down personally?WTF? since when-and the politicians standing outside for a photoop?Who are they trying to prove a point to?Who didn’t come up with whatever the promise was that allowed the market construction to start?
As was already pointed out,the damage to the bay is done.The market should be allowed to open and employ some area residents(on the books and legal residents-lets start a whole new thread about businesses employing illegal immigrants-another huge issue)
the residents of gerritsen beach should stay on alert and not allow developers to do any more damage to this area as they did to the bay.IT WILL HAPPEN HERE TOO!!!PLEASE lets do our best to prevent it.Otherwise,our sweet little school -ps 277 in a few years will be like all the other public schools,where the importance will no longer focus on academics.The focus will switch to mandated services and when that happens ,say goodbye to one of the best things GB has to offer,a one of a kind elementary school where our children have thrived for decades.
Now, I am well aware of the issues that exist in the beach.All areas have issues.But when i think of this neighborhood and its rich family history and community history.it is still the best.You will not find it anywhere in brooklyn anymore.It is truly a little village ,but that will change.so sad.
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Well said!
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agreed
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Oh, you think owners of Cherry Hill Market ever had legal employees on their books? Maybe 5 out of 50 people working there! You just don’t know what a whore house they have! But That’s besides the point, it’s just what comes around, goes around!
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It’s a real Shame that they are not allowing this investment in the community to continue. Great Video by the way. It was great to see both sides of this argument. I hope to patronize Cherry Hill when it finally opens.
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This is amazing! GB.net is amazing, this is the kind of crap that I never would have known about. I think the whole thing about Cherry Hill is a joke. I agree with Simon Belsky and ‘ Yes.’ Why are they picking on this place? Its the best thing thats (trying) open up down there in years. Kruger said something about welcoming “water related” business’”, what nonsense. What about Applebees? What about all those stupid looking condos? This place looks much more in keeping with the SB atmosphere than those places do. I hope it opens. I look forward to it. I think the Cherry Hill guy said 120 jobs. In this economy,or in any for that matter, Kruger should be rolling out the red carpet. And the nerve and disrespect to the Catholic and Christian communities!! I’ll remember this on election day!
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This is only the tip of the iceberg, folks! Where was Carl Kruger when the Special SB Zoning wasn’t being enforced, and houses were being replaced by monstrous condos? No shouting for preservation, no talking at all, no photo opps then, right? Oh, that’s right! He was too busy counting his campaign contributions from the developers who were building! Look it up folks, “Friends of Carl”… it’s all in black and white.
So why now is he yakking, sending out press releases that sound like he’s living in Sheepshead Bay of 1984, and having photo opps on Good Friday of all days? Who knows? Maybe he had designs on Lundy’s – or one of his cronies did. Who knows? I guess Cherry Hill didn’t pay homage ($$$) to the right people.
Scavo’s a volunteer with NO power – why does she need her picture in the paper? Is she running for office, or just “Kruger’s girl” that will be used and thrown away like others in the past? She’d make a good politician – she’s already learned how to speak out of both sides of her mouth: she stands with Mike Nelson (who up until now didn’t say a word about Cherry Hill – just like he does with most issues around here) for a nicey-nicey photo, but badmouths him any time she is campaigning and Mike’s nowhere to be found.
How disgusting that Kruger, his new girl Scavo, and his appendage Nelson didn’t even acknowledge the people going by on Good Friday! Don’t they need those votes, too? If the people on Election Day don’t take action, then we deserve Kruger and Nelson.
STOP VOTING FOR THESE IGNORANT SELF-SERVING “OFFICIALS”. Stop giving them any respect, since they’re so selective with their authority, their representation and their respect. We need REAL change. ANYONE is better than the same-old same-old. Let’s cut them loose.
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AGREED.
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I agree. Acording to GB.net March 16, Scavo is running for the district48 city council seat being vacated by Mike Nelson. That covers Midwood, Manhatten Beach and Sheepshead Bay.
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What is Don Rickles doing in Sheepshead Bay?
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LOL, maybe he escaped from PIPS.
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I have never been terribly interested in local politics until I started reading this website. I think that may be true for a lot of people. I am apalled at the actions of some of the people I have voted for in the past. It realy looked terrible when they “ran” away from that woman complainig that they were doing this on Good Friday. I hope the three amigos read this website and realize that a new generation of truly educated voters will be making the decision on their jobs in the near future. Great jo GB.net.
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I feel the same way. Its so different from reading the self serving pamphlets they waste tax dollars on, or reading a biased article in the paper. Good for that woman, telling them off, lol, she probably didn’t realize she would go down in history for it! I know come next election day I will be a much better informed voter!!
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Please Vote In the Primary Election on September 15th, 2009
Simon L. Belsky
Democratic Candidate for City Council District #48
Integrity-Accountability-Productivity-Leadership
Community-Quality of Life
For forty-five (45) years Simon Belsky has developed a highly respected and professional business and entrepreneurial background. As an executive in the electronics industry with responsibilities for development of personnel, marketing, manufacturing and distribution to ownership of a variety of companies involved in roofing, waterproofing, general construction, janitorial distribution and entertainment with clients such as Cushman & Wakefield, Inc. and Williams Real Estate makes Simon is uniquely qualified for the Office of City Council.
Recently retired from his businesses, Simon with his wife Gloria want to dedicate their time, knowledge and experience to insuring the advancement of Quality of Life for our growing diverse community.
If you are tired of voting for elected officials that vote to raise your Property Taxes ( over 26% compounded) and other Taxes, act as a rubber stamp for the current administration, vote to extend term limits against the public’s wishes, never raise their voices in the media about the lack of productivity, accountability and integrity regarding inept management, corruption and possible fraud in the city’s agencies (Department of Finance/Parking Violations, School Construction Authority, Department of Buildings, MTA, NYC Housing Authority to name a few) that are affecting our community and our Quality of Life then:
It’s Time for Change
By identifying the billions of dollars wasted by the present administration Simon Belsky wants to have that money better utilized for our schools, seniors and Quality of Life projects. For example:
• Better pay for our Teachers, Police, Fire and EMS personnel (No Layoffs)
• Smaller class sizes in our schools
• Computers, programs and materials for our Schools
• Programs for our Seniors and Veterans (Health and Services)
• Better development of our Parks and Recreational Facilities
Now with Federal Stimulus monies coming to New York we must vote the most qualified candidates into office that will monitor that the money is not wasted and will be utilized for the betterment of our communities.
Where Has Our Money Gone?
• Department of Finance/Parking Violations Bureau – Over ten (10) million summonses are written annually. Approximately 500,000 are dismissed because they are either defective or fraudulently written by rogue/overly aggressive ticket agents.
• School Construction Authority – Why are we paying for scaffolding around our schools for 2-3 years to perform repairs when in NYC you can build a new office tower with protective scaffolding in 1 to 1-1/2 years?
• NYC Housing Authority – Why have the elevators not been maintained which finally led to the death of a five (5) year old boy? How many seniors and physically impaired people have had to endure staying in their apartments or waiting outside their building for an elevator mechanic to arrive?
• NYC Building Department – For many years we have been faced with corruption, payoffs and indictments of these departments’ inspectors with some of the results causing deaths in crane and other construction accidents.(Deutsch Bank Tower-2 of our Bravest died needlessly)
• MTA – This agencies book should be examined and made public to determine if the monies have been mismanaged before allowing fare increases and tolls on bridges. It seems unconscionable that there is never good news leading to some fare and toll reductions.
Simon Belsky will work closely with the NYC Department of Investigation and when required the District Attorney’s Office and other elected officials to help end the abuse on the public.
As you evaluate the candidates running for City Council in District #48, you will find that only Simon Belsky will raise his voice in the media and everywhere to fix the inherent problems we have lived with for so long. It’s time we have strong leadership and massive public support throughout the City to effect change. Simon Belsky will lead the fight with your support to deliver: Integrity, Accountability, Productivity, Leadership, Community and Quality of Life.
Term Limits – Simon Belsky firmly believes that all in the administration who voted to extend Term Limits against the will of the people should be voted out of office. One reason the public voted for Term Limits is that they have lost faith in their elected officials and want change. If there was total transparency into our City’s’ Agencies and elected officials, Term Limits might not be a major issue, since the voter would have an informed clearer picture as to who was earning their keep on Election Day.
Knowledge Is Power – Listen to what all the candidates have to say, ask the tough questions and then with the knowledge make an informed decision on Election Day as to the best candidate you feel will represent District #48 in the City Council.
Be careful of candidates primarily backed by political organizations
Vote Your Conscience
Important Dates and Notes
• August 21st, 2009 – Last day to register for the Primary Election
• October 9th, 2009- – Last day to register for the General Election
• June 9th thru July 12th – We will have people out in the district to obtain Registered Democratic Petition Signatures to insure Simon Belsky is on the ballot in the September 15th Primary.
• Please vote in the Primary Election on September 15th for Simon Belsky to insure you will finally have a Democratic City Council Candidate that will address the major issues stated above and many others affecting our community.
• Please vote in the General Election on December 3rd for Simon Belsky to insure you will finally have a Democratic City Council Member that will address the major issues stated above and many others affecting our community.
It is public knowledge that Simon Belsky is presently suing NYC Department of Finance/Parking Violations Bureau in NYS Supreme Court regarding a fraudulently issued summons and the acts of four (4) Administrative Law Judges. After more than two (2) years, on February 2nd, 2009 the city offered to dismiss the summons and all penalties but no court costs. Simon has refused and on April 20th, 2009 the case will be tried in the Supreme Court. Stay Tuned!
If elected Simon Belsky will donate 25% of his first year’s salary (Approximately $25,000.00) to Senior and School Programs within District #48.
Call Simon Belsky at 718-769-7406 or e-mail him at parodneydee@gmail.com with your Questions and Comments
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For the record, Gerritsen Beach is proudly in the 46th Council District. Mr. Belsky is running elsewhere against Councilman Nelson.
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Lew, I am running in the 48th District which covers a major portion of Sheepshead Bay and the Lundy’s/Cherry Hill Gourmet boondoggle. I am in support of the project and completely against the actions of the “Three Amigos”. If the Lew is Lew Fidler it would be nice if you took some kind of stand supporting the community which appears to strongly support the Gourmet and the return of the famous Lundy’s Restaurant in a project that can produce in excess of one hundred (100) jobs for people living within both the 48th and 46th Districts. It takes guts to do what is correct when you represent the public. Don’t be afraid to support a viable project in the next District. You are paid with all our tax dollars.
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No one hzas EVER accused me of lacking guts. Talk is easy, Mr. Belsky and the Lundy’s project is NOT in my district. I give the local elected some deference though I am not sure that I agree with them. I actually attended the local civic meeting that was held there and listened to both sides. Did you??? or are you just politicking for what you believe to be the popular position?
Lew from Brooklyn
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Mr. Fidler, I have not accused you of lacking guts. I will leave that to the voters in your District.
Yes, I have attended both the CB 15 and local civic meeting and listened carefully to all points raised. My article ran prior to the meetings. I have taken a position based upon what I feel is in the best interest of the community and not for political purposes as you and the rest of the politicians . It would be nice for you to take a position based upon the meetings and all that has transpired in the last 30 years instead of waiting on the sidelines to see which way the tide flows as politicians seem to do! I will gladly debate you on this and many other issues at any meeting when you find it convenient in order to enlighten the voting public as to what our elected officials have really done.
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I dont think this whole Cherry Hill thing should become a campaign platform for Mr. Belsky.
Find another place for it. “Show some RESPECT” to the GBNet sitel This discussion should be about what the constituents in the area surrounding Lundys/Cherry Hill want at this location. Personnally, Nelson’s a shoe in, as far as I am concerned.
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Maybe he won’t be such a shoe-in if people don’t let this issue fall by the wayside like everything else. In this economic climate, Nelson is a part of a group of politicians who is preventing over 100 jobs from being created in our community. If that’s not enough to wake up voters, then what is?!?!?!?
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I’m not sure that I am comfortable seeing a discussion on the political missteps of our local officials turn into a campaign forum for a candidate running against one of them. I’m not saying this because I oppose Mr. Belsky’s candidacy. At this point I haven’t enough information to form an opinion. But I think he would make a far more favorable impression by providing us merely with a link to more information. I understand that there are difficulties in reaching the voters but it may be a good start merely to present one’s views on the matter of discussion.
Mr. Belsky, you need to set up a website for your campaign. And when you have done so you can link to it from your remarks.
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Lisanne: My sincere apologies if my comments gave the impression of a campaign forum. My sole intent was to hopefully get an influential area resident to express an opinion (pro or con) regarding the Lundy’s/Cherry Hill Market project and it’s impact in the revitalization of the community. I am presently working on a website and will inform all when it is available. I will stick to the issues at hand and continue to voice my opinions as a concerned resident of the community in the hope my comments and views will have a positive impact.
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My take on this is Lew Fielder is in a difficult situation here. Lundy’s is not in his district, but what happens here is of interest to his constituents. What he is reading here is that there is generally support of the Cherry Hill Market project, and distrust of his colleague Mr. Nelson. (that part is hardly news to him) In Sheepshead Bay, however, there is some support for Nelson and his two buddies. So at this moment he is thinking that Nelson is going to be around for awhile, and publicly embarrassing him is not the politically expedient thing to do.
According to the Gotham Gazette you are the only person who can be considered a serious opponent to Michael Nelson in the primary. Theresa Scavo is not even mentioned. The challenge you have now is to reach the voters who are politically uninvolved and make the easy choices in primaries. While being involved in the actvities of community groups is important, meeting the average voters will make your candidacy viable.
Years ago what were the reform Democratic clubs either became the Democratic establishment or disappeared. So you have a lot of work to do on your own. You might be able to tap into the human resources of the various community groups if you can convince them of your viability as a candidate. The important thing is to obtain widespread name recognition early, and then reach as many people as possible with your message.
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I am not running for any office, I do not support any elected official (I do vote) and I do not know the owner of Cherry Hill Market. I live in Lew Fielder’s district…
I want the Cherry Hill Market to open. The people I know who live and work in Sheepshead Bay want the Market to open… The eastside of the Lundy’s building looks great along with the new paved parking lot. 100 new jobs will be created in Sheepshead Bay. Residents who do not drive will have access to a great new market… It’s so easy, “Quality of Life”
Lisanne, I don’t understand why Lew Fielder is in a difficult situation. Mr. Fielder represents me/us not Nelison, Scavo or my State Senator Kruger, who would not even answer my questions outside of the market. Step up to the plate Mr. Fielder. As my representative find out what going on here. Doing the right thing for what you were elected is so easy…
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If Mike Nelson is committed fully to backing up Kruger, Fielder may not wish to cross swords with him on this matter.
He’s reading this, so he has the option of making a more definitive statement of opinion if he so chooses.
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Let’s get rid of these do-nothing local”Democ-RATS”. Maybe it’s time to give some local “Republi-CANS” a shot – how much worse can things get?
How much longer are we going to let these so-called politicians at all levels hurt us? First, the Council votes themselves and the Mayor another term. Then Kruger and his gang pull off the equivalent of a “stick up” of the Senate getting a lucrative committee chair, and screws all of us by holding up the MTA. Not to mention the clubhouse politics like Thomas Jefferson Club and Geller’s Highway Democ-RATS. If the rest of the city got rid of these things over a hundred years ago with Boss Tweed, why can’t we?
It’s time to use the power of the vote. It’s time to show those clubs that we don’t need or want their influence anymore.
Register now! Show these RATS the door!
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Semper Fi!!!!! Grrrrrr! I agree…….Sir!
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If You Are Not Part Of The Solution Then You Are Part Of The Problem
After reviewing “Three Amigos†Block Sheepshead Bay’s Lundys Cherry Hill from Opening on Gerritsenbeach.net it looks crystal clear that something very strange is going on.
Questions that must be asked and answered I believe are as follows:
1. Where was Carl Kruger when a variance to the “Special Zoning†was authorized by the Board of Standards and Appeals allowing Loehmann’s and Condominiums to be built on Emmons Avenue?
2. Is Theresa Scavo’s (Jewelry Store) eviction from the old Lundy’s site a reason for her not supporting the Lundy’s/Cherry Hill Market?
3. Is Michael Nelson so desperate for Carl Kruger’s support that he attends a photo shoot and does nothing but smile regarding a subject I have not heard him voice an opinion on at any meeting?
4. Are we to believe that the Building Department woke up one morning and said Hey!, Let’s send a stop work order to Lundy’s/Cherry Hill?
5. Do any of the Three Amigos have the guts to stand up and tell all what their real involvement is?
6. Why were a Stop Work Order issued and a Photo Session with the “Three Amigos†performed on Good Friday and Passover?
7. What businesses have Carl Kruger, Michael Nelson or Theresa Scavo been instrumental in bringing to Emmons Avenue that conform to the Special Zoning?
8. What businesses have Carl Kruger, Michael Nelson or Theresa Scavo supported in the Special Zoning District that are employing more people.
There must be some hidden reason/agenda that we cannot identify, if the “Three Amigosâ€, all political figures, with aspirations for what I have no clue, are appearing together in support of a Stop Work Order and possibility the demise of the Cherry Hill Gourmet and the new Lundy’s Restaurant opening soon on the second floor.
They clearly are not supporting the wishes of the communities located in CB 15, Sheepshead Bay and Manhattan Beach.
The “Three Amigos†have done nothing for years as the entire area has deteriorated. Now, when someone shows up with a viable plan to resurrect the area, which the community overwhelmingly supports, the “Three Amigos†come alive.
After thirty (30) years of “Special Zoning†a child can see that what was originally envisioned as a fishing village has failed miserably. BIG had a great idea and did the best they could to hopefully make it happen, but there comes a time to smell the coffee and wake up.
Once the change in the “Special Zoning†was authorized and Loehmann’s and Condominiums were built the dream was over.
Since the “Three Amigos†appear to have done nothing, since they have been in their respective positions, to help rehabilitate the Lundy’s location, why when a viable option arises that the community overwhelmingly supports, do they appear together and work it seems behind the scenes to negatively impact the project.
It gives the appearance something fishy is going on.
Could it be motivated by promises of campaign contributions from resulting competitors on Ave. “Z†and elsewhere, Condo Contractors or others?
I as many in the community believe, Lundy’s Restaurant/Cherry Hill Gourmet can be the first successful business in the original building in the last thirty (30) years employing in excess of one hundred people from the neighborhood. They are taking the risk. We must give them a chance.
Let’s as a community support a change to the “Special Zoning†of the Lundy’s site, allowing Lundy’s Restaurant/Cherry Hill Gourmet to open and help revitalize the area.
As far as the “Three Amigos†go, I can only hope that the voters will eliminate them in the next election as it is clear they appear oblivious to reality and appear to have a personal agenda.
The “Three Amigos†are part of the problem, not the solution! The people must eliminate the problem to achieve a solution.
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Seems to me that the only change needed to the “Special Zoning” of Lundy’s is in allowing Cherry Hill to establish a retail food operation in that location. That shouldn’t be a problem as long as they respect the historical integrity of the interior space. The main dining room is extremely large, and I doubt any restaurant could in this day fill it to capacity. So partitioning some of that space for retail is practical.
I don’t think this is a guaranteed success. But it is what we have been given, and the opposition of politiicans who have done little to impede projects that have had a more negative impact on the community reeks of hypocrisy and does indeed raise the question “Why?”. Maybe someone needs to dig a bit deeper. Could all this merely be the outgrowth of Theresa Scavo’s eviction from Lundy’s Landing?
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Everybody should make sure they vote Carl Kruger out of office. Please get out and vote. When I watched the video I could not believe how he would not even talk to the woman about Good Friday. He could have apologized, instead he looked angry. How dare you confront the great and powerful Kruger!
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Scavo will announce Thursday she is not running against Nelson and will endorse him for reelection. What is she getting in return?
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wow. if this isn’t proof what is?
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I don’t know why Mr. David cant do what he want. He gots lots of money and if wants to build Lundy into what he wants then he should. He gots lots of money and that what counts. No laws sayin he should do this or that because he gots lots on money and he is a doin only good things with his lots of money. Politicians should leave business alone because they got lots more money than politicians. Thanks. This is great country where I can do better than old country but sometime to many politician mess up but money is good.
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Isadore, you’re not helping your cause – just because you have money doesn’t mean you can do what you want!
The point that I see is that Cherry Hill is saying they followed the law, AND invested all this money. Kruger is saying that their plans “are a fantasy” – Check the NY Daily News – and that everyone’s been lied to.
IMO, Kruger’s an idiot. If Cherry Hill’s been lying to all of us, why did they allow that meeting to be videotaped in March? Why would they talk to Kruger on the street? Why did they allow GB.net inside to take pictures of everything? Why would they be talking to the press at all?
Sounds open to me.
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Um…..what?
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Mr David says he is following the law and he has money so what the policitican say. They have no right to stop Mr David and all the money he has spent. That is what makes America great.
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Yes, he has followed the law to the best of my knowledge. Had he not done so it wouldn’t matter at all how much money he spent, at least from a legal perspective. What makes this country great is that no one, in theory at least, is above the law.
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Good. Then there is no need for law if you think it is followed and spend money.
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I am really proud to part of the SB community. I support Cherry Hill and will definitly visit them when they open. Our community needs leaders that will actually do something for us, not take away jobs.
I actually know someone that was hired by Cherry Hill, but is unable to start work because of the three amigos. This person is a single mom who is depending on this job to survive.
Maybe Mr. Krugar, Mr. Nelson or Ms. Scavo could hire her, since they are the reason why she can not start work.
Thanks guys, you’ve got my support. ( NOT)
SB, it is time to get together and speak out. This is bigger than Cherry Hill. We need to change our community leadership.
God bless us all
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MR – good job. It IS time for SB to get active and mobilize. Maybe they can get some more people to picket outside of Kruger’s office or something.
SB, it’s time to get angry and do something about all of this!
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Bottom line is the law must be followed and respected by all, no matter how much money you spend. How can we have any other view on this? Otherwise, those with the bucks can do whatever they want, and the rest who don’t have the deep pockets can not? Is that right? Why have any zoning at all? Lundy’s, back in it’s hey day had 2,800 legal seating. Now maybe a few hundred or so. The seating numbers quoted are impossible based on the seating configuration and floor space, etc. A successful restaurant can easily operate there, if, you have the right operator who knows how to manage a restaurant, with good food and good service, both! The three prior operators from Dec 1995-2007, tried, but didn’t have that restaurant touch. It is not an easy business and 90% fail, BUT when run well, it can be a fabulous place and a great draw and thus becomes a destination for the entire area.
There are some very successful seafood houses and seafood operators with class and great food worthy of the landmark Lundy building; but it’s too bad most of you haven’t seen the bigger long range picture here, nor have you understood the sub-landlord’s dealings and not even wanting to talk with many of us in the legal restaurant community about making this actually happen. There are several legal gourmet markets just north on Avenue Z where the legal zoning calls for that kind of community service businesses. One of those markets even gave “Mr. Cherry Hill” his start in Bath Beach.
I will end this utter waste of my time, since I stumbled on this site by accident doing a internet search and merely clicked by sheer error, and read the posts and thought I might give you something to think about. The Special District for the most part is working, the residential option is essentially in there. There is no mention anywhere in the zoning of a “fishing village”. That was hatched by the community groups nobly trying to make the “village like” tourist small scale attraction with thousands of parking spaces come to life. I know all this because I was involved in a few real estate deals down there at the time. The idea of certain uses on the bay in the larger long range view does have some credence, but no one here is addressing real planning and what zoning, especially Special Use Zoning is designed for. The Belsky comments about resurrecting the fishing fleet are plagued with ignorance on the subject and kind of funny. The parking is lost for the fleet, regulation has crushed them, there are essentially one bait & tackle left(down from 8!) the city has leased pier space to dinner boats, instead of marketing to party fishing boats, the marine supply stores are gone, as are the local ship yards for their repairs, access to the piers for the last fishing operators is curtailed, fuel has been the icing on the cake and we went from maybe 40 or so fishing boats in the late 70’s early 80’s to about 6! The boats are scattered up and down the East coast. I know, some of my family was in the business too.
Since I do not intend to come back to this site, you should all step back and ask yourself honestly, if the law should be followed by all or applied differently to those that spend a lot and make it look nice? If, yes, then so long as someone makes it look “nice” and spends a lot that’s ok? A dangerous precedent here. Then, I could build whatever I want, anywhere I want, so long as I too make it nice and spend a lot, right? The betterment of the whole community is not for this one guy, no matter what it seems on the emotioanl surface, but a real step back for following the law across the community with string strict enforcement for all. In the long term, the most restrictive zoning, the tougher community’s that do not cave in to money and it looks nice, are the most desireable at the end of the day! Just like the comments from those in GB that don’t want their area to be overbuilt like the Bay> Save and preserve what is left! Would the Heights, Park Slope, Ditmas Park or any other historic or Ocean Parkway’s Special District allow a market where the zoning strictly said no, even if some wanted another market closer to their house?
Sorry Cherry Hill, the importance of the entire community and the over 200,000 residents of Sheepshead Bay are bigger than that and to stand for enforcement and taking a stand is always now, today! Where were many of you during the Loehmann’s battle, the Lundy Landmark fight? Draw the line, fight now or you will be run over by this bad precedent. The entire community and it’s very special unique waterfront outweighs one market, even a million dollar market! The law as it is written now must be respected and followed, here and everywhere. Have a nice summer you all. Treasure your beautiful harbor, stand and celebrate your bay, it is all by itself-SPECIAL. Joe, long time real estate and restaurant attorney.
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Cherry Hill Market is open for business!
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