Comments on: What Lundy’s is Now! Pre-Meeting Tour http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/ Dedicated to Gerritsen Beach Offering Current News, Links & Reviews with some Memories Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:25:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Simon Belsky, Brooklyn, NY http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-18086 Simon Belsky, Brooklyn, NY Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:06:43 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-18086 Lundy Bros. Restaurant/Cherry Hill Gourmet are Vital to the Community What’s so terrible about the revival of a quality seafood restaurant (Lundy Bros.) and the addition of a gourmet market which allows its quality offerings such as deli, cooked/cold foods bakery items and gelato, to be enjoyed in a café atmosphere as well as taken home for dinner? What is so terrible about having organic foods and a quality bakery where none exist? What is wrong with trying to resurrect an area in Sheepshead Bay which has been deteriorating for the past 30 plus years? Ever since the demise of the famous Lundy Bros. restaurant in 1977, the Landmark Building has been vacant for the last 32 years except for two (2) short term failed attempts to open a seafood restaurant on a much smaller scale. It is clear that just a restaurant in this massive building cannot survive as the clientele that filled Lundy Bros. no longer exists. In 1973 with all of the best intentions for the community Sheepshead Bay was designated as a “special district” to promote and strengthen the unique character of the area as a prime location for waterfront and recreational development and to help attract a useful cluster of shops, restaurants and related activities, which will complement and enhance the area. Unfortunately, whether it was due to the changing makeup of our diverse community or the changes in the economy it appears that the “special district” zoning in some instances have been more of a hindrance than a help to revitalizing a community. Vacant lots and vacant buildings only led to an abundance of garbage, rodent infestation and crime further deteriorating the community. A July 9th, 1995 article in The New York Times it states, it was clear to Mr. John E. Nikas, Community Board 15 Chairman and Mr. Mitchell Corby, Director of the City Planning Department’s Brooklyn Office that “We’ve just got to accept that the district’s goals were never realized.” Why can’t the few complaining pundits wake up to the reality of history and the existing situation and help Cherry Hill resolve the zoning issue? Recently my wife and I spent two (2) hours with Mr. David Isaev, President of Cherry Hill Gourmet discussing his plans and objectives in detail regarding the new Lundy Bros. Restaurant and Cherry Hill Gourmet. I have come away with an understanding as follows: • The exterior of the building will be completely restored to conform to the Landmark Preservation requirements. • The original Lundy Bros. lettering and awnings will also be restored to its original condition even though the lettering is not part of the façade and not a requirement of Landmark Preservation. • The restaurant part of the business will be promoted and marketed to make every effort to revitalize the Lundy Bros. name and restaurant stature. • The restaurant will be opened approximately 4-5 months later, due to construction timetable. • Baskets in the gourmet area will only be allowed to exit the rear of the building into the parking lot. No baskets will be allowed on Emmons or Ocean Avenues. Mr. Isaev has invested an enormous amount of money rebuilding a structure in shambles with the hope of building a successful business and revitalizing an area which is in desperate need of help. The work he has done in the parking lot appears to be a bigger investment that most businesses in the area have made. Almost everyone I have spoken to that has seen the interior and had a preview of the plans are extremely positive and are eagerly awaiting the Grand Opening of the Cherry Hill Gourmet and Lundy’s New 4* Restaurant. The battle needs to end for the benefit of the community. The issues regarding Landmark Preservation appear to be resolved. With Loehmann’s and condos already on Emmons Avenue, I believe, the zoning has changed dramatically from its original intent. It is time to sit down and together move forward with a solution instead of pointing fingers for politics or personal desires. The community should also immediately address possible solutions for additional parking areas and a multitude of promotions to bolster the viability of our fishing/cruising fleet. Lundy Bros. Restaurant/Cherry Hill Gourmet are Vital to the Community
What’s so terrible about the revival of a quality seafood restaurant (Lundy Bros.) and the addition of a gourmet market which allows its quality offerings such as deli, cooked/cold foods bakery items and gelato, to be enjoyed in a café atmosphere as well as taken home for dinner? What is so terrible about having organic foods and a quality bakery where none exist?
What is wrong with trying to resurrect an area in Sheepshead Bay which has been deteriorating for the past 30 plus years?
Ever since the demise of the famous Lundy Bros. restaurant in 1977, the Landmark Building has been vacant for the last 32 years except for two (2) short term failed attempts to open a seafood restaurant on a much smaller scale. It is clear that just a restaurant in this massive building cannot survive as the clientele that filled Lundy Bros. no longer exists.
In 1973 with all of the best intentions for the community Sheepshead Bay was designated as a “special district” to promote and strengthen the unique character of the area as a prime location for waterfront and recreational development and to help attract a useful cluster of shops, restaurants and related activities, which will complement and enhance the area.
Unfortunately, whether it was due to the changing makeup of our diverse community or the changes in the economy it appears that the “special district” zoning in some instances have been more of a hindrance than a help to revitalizing a community.
Vacant lots and vacant buildings only led to an abundance of garbage, rodent infestation and crime further deteriorating the community.
A July 9th, 1995 article in The New York Times it states, it was clear to Mr. John E. Nikas, Community Board 15 Chairman and Mr. Mitchell Corby, Director of the City Planning Department’s Brooklyn Office that “We’ve just got to accept that the district’s goals were never realized.”
Why can’t the few complaining pundits wake up to the reality of history and the existing situation and help Cherry Hill resolve the zoning issue?
Recently my wife and I spent two (2) hours with Mr. David Isaev, President of Cherry Hill Gourmet discussing his plans and objectives in detail regarding the new Lundy Bros. Restaurant and Cherry Hill Gourmet. I have come away with an understanding as follows:
• The exterior of the building will be completely restored to conform to the Landmark Preservation requirements.
• The original Lundy Bros. lettering and awnings will also be restored to its original condition even though the lettering is not part of the façade and not a requirement of Landmark Preservation.
• The restaurant part of the business will be promoted and marketed to make every effort to revitalize the Lundy Bros. name and restaurant stature.
• The restaurant will be opened approximately 4-5 months later, due to construction timetable.
• Baskets in the gourmet area will only be allowed to exit the rear of the building into the parking lot. No baskets will be allowed on Emmons or Ocean Avenues.
Mr. Isaev has invested an enormous amount of money rebuilding a structure in shambles with the hope of building a successful business and revitalizing an area which is in desperate need of help. The work he has done in the parking lot appears to be a bigger investment that most businesses in the area have made.
Almost everyone I have spoken to that has seen the interior and had a preview of the plans are extremely positive and are eagerly awaiting the Grand Opening of the Cherry Hill Gourmet and Lundy’s New 4* Restaurant.
The battle needs to end for the benefit of the community. The issues regarding Landmark Preservation appear to be resolved. With Loehmann’s and condos already on Emmons Avenue, I believe, the zoning has changed dramatically from its original intent. It is time to sit down and together move forward with a solution instead of pointing fingers for politics or personal desires.
The community should also immediately address possible solutions for additional parking areas and a multitude of promotions to bolster the viability of our fishing/cruising fleet.

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]]> By: Bill H. http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-17799 Bill H. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:28:29 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-17799 You missed the point, but what else can I expect from either laymen or non land use lawyer talk. The "interpretation" is for those laymen and non land use attorneys regarding the Special District zoning, not as some sort of subjective academic school debate or on grey areas of zoning text, but these specific itemized USES here, which I have to live by on my own properties in the same Special District. Fidler didn't quite agree, only in general theory. As far as your comment on a vacant building and jobs, you sound like the Loehmann's developer. Lundy's and Sheepshead Bay deserve better and if patience and proper use take longer, so be it. That's the difference between charming lovely places we all love to visit, and "something is better than nothing" thinking; is you end up with exactly what you have now, a hodge podge of mixed unplanned, uncoordinated and non water enhancing uses. As far as Steve from BIG, I heard him advocate for tighter zoning, down zoning since the early 1980's to the present. I heard Fidler say a few times in public meeetings, a number of years ago, that he first even learned of the phrase "down zoning" from Steve Barrison. The rezoning was taken up by your group, the local civic, with many of your board of directors on BIG too, thus that is the "civic's" role in a community. Once Lohemann's broke the Special District, and the rush to development after, there wasn't much neighborhood or character left. Steve put in 25 years, sacrificing his professional and personal life, once the "re-zoning" was set, which was not revealed until that infamous Mayor and CPC visit, it was too late. Steve and I spoke about this, he was not and never was in competition, and thought the down zoning was going to cover all of Sheepshead Bay, just like in Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst and many other communities, as did I as a major property owner here! It was too late then, we thought the local civic had it covered. Oh well. So what does all this mean? You said, the best interest of the community was your civic duty! Well, that means the long term vision, not your knee jerk reaction to fill an empty building, but this is our only Landmark in a key location and yes for the long term we deserve better, and yes, it is worth fighting and waiting for. Our society's need for short term gain, instant reward and gratification is what got us the mess we have along our beautiful harbor Sheepshead Bay. Being BIG and brave is seeing the long term view. BIG is putting up with unwarranted comments for a guy that has put his heart and soul in to this community and NYC and NYS. BIG has advocated since it's inception for that long term vision and comprehensive well thought out solutions. It's up to the civic community to decide to act and how. I haven't seen Steve in a while, but would like to thank him for his hard work every day since I met him in 1983. Thanks BIG Steve, you deserve it and don't worry about those uninformed, especially the Tired of BIG Steve person. We are lucky to have people like you BIG Steve in the community and many fellow business owners and property owners like myself thank you for putting Sheepshead Bay on the map. I will try to come up to NY for BayFest in May. You missed the point, but what else can I expect from either laymen or non land use lawyer talk. The “interpretation” is for those laymen and non land use attorneys regarding the Special District zoning, not as some sort of subjective academic school debate or on grey areas of zoning text, but these specific itemized USES here, which I have to live by on my own properties in the same Special District. Fidler didn’t quite agree, only in general theory.

As far as your comment on a vacant building and jobs, you sound like the Loehmann’s developer. Lundy’s and Sheepshead Bay deserve better and if patience and proper use take longer, so be it. That’s the difference between charming lovely places we all love to visit, and “something is better than nothing” thinking; is you end up with exactly what you have now, a hodge podge of mixed unplanned, uncoordinated and non water enhancing uses.

As far as Steve from BIG, I heard him advocate for tighter zoning, down zoning since the early 1980’s to the present. I heard Fidler say a few times in public meeetings, a number of years ago, that he first even learned of the phrase “down zoning” from Steve Barrison. The rezoning was taken up by your group, the local civic, with many of your board of directors on BIG too, thus that is the “civic’s” role in a community. Once Lohemann’s broke the Special District, and the rush to development after, there wasn’t much neighborhood or character left. Steve put in 25 years, sacrificing his professional and personal life, once the “re-zoning” was set, which was not revealed until that infamous Mayor and CPC visit, it was too late. Steve and I spoke about this, he was not and never was in competition, and thought the down zoning was going to cover all of Sheepshead Bay, just like in Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst and many other communities, as did I as a major property owner here! It was too late then, we thought the local civic had it covered. Oh well.

So what does all this mean? You said, the best interest of the community was your civic duty! Well, that means the long term vision, not your knee jerk reaction to fill an empty building, but this is our only Landmark in a key location and yes for the long term we deserve better, and yes, it is worth fighting and waiting for. Our society’s need for short term gain, instant reward and gratification is what got us the mess we have along our beautiful harbor Sheepshead Bay. Being BIG and brave is seeing the long term view. BIG is putting up with unwarranted comments for a guy that has put his heart and soul in to this community and NYC and NYS. BIG has advocated since it’s inception for that long term vision and comprehensive well thought out solutions. It’s up to the civic community to decide to act and how. I haven’t seen Steve in a while, but would like to thank him for his hard work every day since I met him in 1983. Thanks BIG Steve, you deserve it and don’t worry about those uninformed, especially the Tired of BIG Steve person. We are lucky to have people like you BIG Steve in the community and many fellow business owners and property owners like myself thank you for putting Sheepshead Bay on the map. I will try to come up to NY for BayFest in May.

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]]> By: SB/PB Civic http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16669 SB/PB Civic Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:41:44 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16669 There's no need to attack anyone. Please don't let this debate degrade into personal attacks. "Tired of BIG Steve": Steve has indeed done a lot for Sheepshead Bay, and while we disagree on the finer points of zoning in the issue at hand, I will not stoop to a level that degrades what he has done in the community simply because we are pursuing different opinions. Debates do not mean there should be animosity. I apologize to all who thought I was attacking anyone. It was definitely not my intent. I was expressing my disappointment in a response that appeared to denigrate our Association's accomplishments, and had nothing to do with the issue at hand. There’s no need to attack anyone. Please don’t let this debate degrade into personal attacks. “Tired of BIG Steve”: Steve has indeed done a lot for Sheepshead Bay, and while we disagree on the finer points of zoning in the issue at hand, I will not stoop to a level that degrades what he has done in the community simply because we are pursuing different opinions. Debates do not mean there should be animosity.

I apologize to all who thought I was attacking anyone. It was definitely not my intent. I was expressing my disappointment in a response that appeared to denigrate our Association’s accomplishments, and had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

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]]> By: Tired of BIG Steve http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16629 Tired of BIG Steve Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:29:34 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16629 Unwarranted attack? He attacked Plumb Beach Civic, not the other way around! That WAS unwarranted. Where is there an attack on Steve? It's nothing but truth. the Plumb Beach Civic was responsible for the re-zoning push in the area. Steve wasn't. Did he talk about it? Yes. Did he do anything to further the re-zoning effort? No. Let's not play victim here... it's embarrassing. I watched the video - It's in the fifth clip. Everyone said it's up to interpretation!!! Steve said it after the zoning text was read, the attorney from the Civic said it, even Councilman Fidler! This is so ridiculous. But if you want an attack, here's one: A "civic" isn't just a watchdog for the community, it's an organization that's supposed to have the best interests of the community first and foremost. Plumb Beach Civic gets it. They're not saying it's ideal, but they'll live with it if the building is improved according to the zoning. By stubbornly reading the zoning the way you are, you are pushing for an empty dilapidated landmark instead of a landmark with a chance of having a good business that brings jobs and money into the neighborhood. You'd rather the community have a vacant property in the heart of the commercial area than a business that you think doesn't fit the way you think it should. That's mighty BIG of you, steve. Unwarranted attack? He attacked Plumb Beach Civic, not the other way around! That WAS unwarranted.

Where is there an attack on Steve? It’s nothing but truth. the Plumb Beach Civic was responsible for the re-zoning push in the area. Steve wasn’t. Did he talk about it? Yes. Did he do anything to further the re-zoning effort? No.

Let’s not play victim here… it’s embarrassing.

I watched the video – It’s in the fifth clip. Everyone said it’s up to interpretation!!! Steve said it after the zoning text was read, the attorney from the Civic said it, even Councilman Fidler! This is so ridiculous.

But if you want an attack, here’s one:

A “civic” isn’t just a watchdog for the community, it’s an organization that’s supposed to have the best interests of the community first and foremost. Plumb Beach Civic gets it. They’re not saying it’s ideal, but they’ll live with it if the building is improved according to the zoning.

By stubbornly reading the zoning the way you are, you are pushing for an empty dilapidated landmark instead of a landmark with a chance of having a good business that brings jobs and money into the neighborhood. You’d rather the community have a vacant property in the heart of the commercial area than a business that you think doesn’t fit the way you think it should.

That’s mighty BIG of you, steve.

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]]> By: Bill H. http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16618 Bill H. Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:01:03 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16618 I have been in the Bay for 75 years and own property along the Emmons Avenue Special District, Sheepshead Bay Road and other places in the area. I bought my property from the Lundy's estate in the early 1980's. I have watched and followed the debates and battles very closely. As a long time real estate investor/owner, I can say I agree with BIG and Steve on this one, as I too, must follow the Special Use District with my properties. I also agree with the resident citing the clear nature of the issue here and how the zoning is crystal clear in this case. The unwarranted personal attack by the PBCA civic reply is a pattern that is beneath contempt. Steve was right, accept it. No single person has put himself second, and has done more for making Sheeepshead Bay better and putting the Bay area on the map and raising awareness of our waterfront and zoning issues for all of the community and our city in the last forty years! And his Bay Group, BIG has tackled more issues, put in more hours, accomplished many things and raised community attention, more in just their first few years than all the neighborhood groups combined in the last four decades. The Lundy's market use is wrong and it should be stopped, if anyone has the courage to do the right thing here. If not, why shouldn't I rent my spaces to anyone and I am not even in a Landmark? Thank you Steve, clearly there are some in the community that don't appreciate all you have done and sacrificed for Sheepshead Bay. We are blessed to have you anytime. Bill. And before I forget, one of my office workers stumbled across this site, so I won't play the tit for tat game here, nor will I monitor this. I have asked for no notification here. Thanks for listening. Steve, I may not always agree with you, but most of the time you are right, as you are here! I have been in the Bay for 75 years and own property along the Emmons Avenue Special District, Sheepshead Bay Road and other places in the area. I bought my property from the Lundy’s estate in the early 1980’s. I have watched and followed the debates and battles very closely. As a long time real estate investor/owner, I can say I agree with BIG and Steve on this one, as I too, must follow the Special Use District with my properties. I also agree with the resident citing the clear nature of the issue here and how the zoning is crystal clear in this case.

The unwarranted personal attack by the PBCA civic reply is a pattern that is beneath contempt. Steve was right, accept it. No single person has put himself second, and has done more for making Sheeepshead Bay better and putting the Bay area on the map and raising awareness of our waterfront and zoning issues for all of the community and our city in the last forty years! And his Bay Group, BIG has tackled more issues, put in more hours, accomplished many things and raised community attention, more in just their first few years than all the neighborhood groups combined in the last four decades. The Lundy’s market use is wrong and it should be stopped, if anyone has the courage to do the right thing here. If not, why shouldn’t I rent my spaces to anyone and I am not even in a Landmark?

Thank you Steve, clearly there are some in the community that don’t appreciate all you have done and sacrificed for Sheepshead Bay. We are blessed to have you anytime. Bill. And before I forget, one of my office workers stumbled across this site, so I won’t play the tit for tat game here, nor will I monitor this. I have asked for no notification here. Thanks for listening. Steve, I may not always agree with you, but most of the time you are right, as you are here!

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]]> By: SB/PB Civic http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16556 SB/PB Civic Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:44:39 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16556 Dropped the ball? Hardly. In fact, SB/PB Civic has taken the ball and ran far beyond what anyone ever could have. No one is "twisting" zoning. As you yourself said at the meeting, (it's on video!) the zoning laws are interpreted within the context of the Special Sheepshead Bay District. Your words. In fact, first you said it's "black and white", then when confronted with the Special District text, you backpedaled into "interpretation" So at least we "apparently" agree on that. Now we're debating on the proper interpretation. And on video, that was also "apparently" in agreement. The intent is there in the zoning text - unique recreational and commercial character. In the end, it's all up to City Planning. The question for the city is if this use is within Use Group SB (94-062) of the Special District. The answer, according to DCP officials we've consulted is "maybe." As a final note, your venom is saddening. SB/PB did advocate for re-zoning ALL of Sheepshead Bay. in fact, we were the ONLY civic actively advocating for Sheepshead Bay. We were the foot soldiers out on the street, taking hundreds of photos, organizing walking tours, and meeting with DCP officials to get it done. DCP ultimately sponsored the re-zoning plan, and decided on which blocks after reviewing ALL OF OUR evidence. They decided which blocks, not us. You're right - it is regrettable that the rest of SB didn't get re-zoned. But at least we put the work in, and didn't just talk about it. Dropped the ball? Hardly.

In fact, SB/PB Civic has taken the ball and ran far beyond what anyone ever could have.

No one is “twisting” zoning. As you yourself said at the meeting, (it’s on video!) the zoning laws are interpreted within the context of the Special Sheepshead Bay District. Your words. In fact, first you said it’s “black and white”, then when confronted with the Special District text, you backpedaled into “interpretation”

So at least we “apparently” agree on that. Now we’re debating on the proper interpretation. And on video, that was also “apparently” in agreement. The intent is there in the zoning text – unique recreational and commercial character.

In the end, it’s all up to City Planning. The question for the city is if this use is within Use Group SB (94-062) of the Special District. The answer, according to DCP officials we’ve consulted is “maybe.”

As a final note, your venom is saddening. SB/PB did advocate for re-zoning ALL of Sheepshead Bay. in fact, we were the ONLY civic actively advocating for Sheepshead Bay. We were the foot soldiers out on the street, taking hundreds of photos, organizing walking tours, and meeting with DCP officials to get it done. DCP ultimately sponsored the re-zoning plan, and decided on which blocks after reviewing ALL OF OUR evidence. They decided which blocks, not us. You’re right – it is regrettable that the rest of SB didn’t get re-zoned. But at least we put the work in, and didn’t just talk about it.

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]]> By: Resident in SB http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16552 Resident in SB Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:38:38 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16552 We as concerned citizens and residents of this unique waterfront community should be more informed of the facts. The law is specific and not open to interpretation in The Special District of Sheepshead Bay. The Lundy’s building (outside) which is a landmark must be maintained according to the Landmark Commission. The inside must follow the strict law outlined in Special Purpose District. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/zone/art09c04.pdf 94-00 GENERAL PURPOSES 94-062 Use Group SB Please read the zoning resolution. We must preserve our historic landmarks in our neighborhood and across the city. We as concerned citizens and residents of this unique waterfront community should be more informed of the facts. The law is specific and not open to interpretation in The Special District of Sheepshead Bay. The Lundy’s building (outside) which is a landmark must be maintained according to the Landmark Commission. The inside must follow the strict law outlined in Special Purpose District. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/zone/art09c04.pdf
94-00 GENERAL PURPOSES
94-062 Use Group SB
Please read the zoning resolution. We must preserve our historic landmarks in our neighborhood and across the city.

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]]> By: BIG Steve http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16545 BIG Steve Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:12:40 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16545 Not in this Special USE District case in this zone B. The law is, as one Board member recently put it, "black and white" and very clear. Sorry, but you don't need lawyers for everything and too many lawyers have lost their way and the honor of the profession being sue happy and unecessarily litigious. A "Civic" is supposed to be the watchdog of the community, especially our zoning; sadly the civic has dropped the ball again. We at the Bay Improvement Group community coalition will once again have the courage to consistantly stand up and say. "NO" when the law is not followed. Success or the amount of money spent on any project is totally irrelevant. I answered this out of necessity, so that people who read this do not misunderstand your insistance on twisting the clear zoning here. This is nothing against the owner, the operator or anyone group or whatever language is spoken. The LAW as currently existing, must be followed and there is nothing here in this specific issue that can even be subject to interpretation. We are done here, the rest is up to you. Oh yea, and your re-zoning only a very small portion of less than eight blocks, instead of a large portion of the Sheepshead Bay as we advocated, like many other communities successfully accomplished, is most regretful and may end up hurting your own neighbors instead of helping the community at large. See ya BayFest Sunday May 17th tell your friends. Not in this Special USE District case in this zone B. The law is, as one Board member recently put it, “black and white” and very clear. Sorry, but you don’t need lawyers for everything and too many lawyers have lost their way and the honor of the profession being sue happy and unecessarily litigious. A “Civic” is supposed to be the watchdog of the community, especially our zoning; sadly the civic has dropped the ball again. We at the Bay Improvement Group community coalition will once again have the courage to consistantly stand up and say. “NO” when the law is not followed. Success or the amount of money spent on any project is totally irrelevant. I answered this out of necessity, so that people who read this do not misunderstand your insistance on twisting the clear zoning here. This is nothing against the owner, the operator or anyone group or whatever language is spoken. The LAW as currently existing, must be followed and there is nothing here in this specific issue that can even be subject to interpretation.

We are done here, the rest is up to you. Oh yea, and your re-zoning only a very small portion of less than eight blocks, instead of a large portion of the Sheepshead Bay as we advocated, like many other communities successfully accomplished, is most regretful and may end up hurting your own neighbors instead of helping the community at large. See ya BayFest Sunday May 17th tell your friends.

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]]> By: Shamil Benyaminov http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16371 Shamil Benyaminov Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:35:10 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16371 Russian store ......Soviet people majority speak Russian but not necessarily from Russia Russian store ……Soviet people majority speak Russian but not necessarily from Russia

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]]> By: anon http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2009/03/03/what-lundys-is-now-pre-meeting-tour/#comment-16345 anon Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:12:18 +0000 http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/?p=3337#comment-16345 Is this going to be a mostly Russian store? I would assume it is. I am not being predudiced, I am just asking. Is this going to be a mostly Russian store? I would assume it is. I am not being predudiced, I am just asking.

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