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We all remember Manhattan Beach right? They have had more of their fair share of crazy news but the flow of this crazy news doesn’t seem to ever stop.
I know some of you hate me for even bringing up Manhattan Beach on this site, but I have to say, some really important stuff going outside our little world. Think of Horton hears a who.
Friday, June 6th was senior cut day for some local schools, and then they head down to Manhattan Beach for a day of sun and fun, but the past two years have been anything but fun. Last year there was the infamous email from Dr. Ron calling beachgoers “thugs”. This year in anticipation of the return of the “thugs”, the residents have been demanding all year for a plan addressing “Senior Cut Day” and all that comes with it.
Well Senior Cut came and it did not go well for beachgoers their civil rights went out the window. Before I get to that really big news. Here is what I personally saw.
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Knowing senior cut day was Friday. I made sure to at least make an effort to get down there and catch the “thugs” in action. On my way down to Manhattan Beach I had heard that Gene Berardelli, Sheepshead Bay/Plumb Beach Civic’s attorney, was arrested for disorderly conduct. I was surprised, mainly because this is a guy who sits on the 61 PRECINCT COMMUNITY COUNCIL and I couldn’t see him getting arrested.
With this in mind I headed to the beach.
Right away I had asked one of the officers whom I thought was in command (white shirt) if there was any incidents on the beach. He responded that there weren’t any. I had asked if he heard about anyone getting arrested, he said he hadn’t heard of anyone. I knew this was false so I walked around and was even more surprised by officers actions.
I saw an empty beach with a few small groups of minority students having fun in the sun. Officers then drove up to them and asked them for their ID’s. They complied and then the officers said they were going to run their ID’s. I saw this incident as harassing people who were doing nothing to warrant such a request. The students followed the officers to get their ID’s back and it seemed like they were being rounded up, to force them off the beach.
That didn’t stop the cops from having a bit of fun.
I saw some plain clothes officers speed racing through the sand with their patrol vehicles. It was obvious that this was for fun because of the speed they were going. After doing a lap another officer would race around, this went on for quite awhile.
I didn’t stick around long because there was really nothing going on. All of the action had already happened with Mr. Berardelli’s arrest.
Here is his account of the events: it may seem like a long read, but it is very important!
This will be the first and last time that I will address the incident that occurred with me in Manhattan Beach because (1) it is now a matter for the courts to hear, and (2) frankly, the issue shouldn’t be about me. There will also be accounts missing in here – some lost due to adrenaline, some I just forgot to add because I’ve told it so many times to so many people. So, here goes:
At or around 12:15 PM, I received a phone call from my sister’s fiance, who was going to be taking a Coney Island Bound Q Train to Coney Island from the Sheepshead Bay Rd. station. He called to let my mother and I know that the police were ordering all Black and Hispanic children and teens off of the Coney Island bound Q Train and ordering them to head back uptown, despite the fact that many of the children and teens told the Police that they lived in Coney Island. According to him, they had even stopped a Manhattan bound Q in order to wait for all of the children and teens to board. Shortly thereafter, we received a phone call from my father – who had just dropped my sister’s fiance at the Sheepshead Bay Rd. train station – telling my mother and I that there were many police cars on Emmons Avenue and they were aggressively dispersing groups of teens, preventing them from accessing the footbridge to Manhattan Beach. My mother and I then decided to investigate the matter for ourselves (much like we had done in the past as members of our neighborhood civic association). We called CB15 Chair Terry Scavo, and we got into my car and drove down Emmons Avenue.
We stopped the car by a group of black teens walking eastbound on Emmons Avenue and asked them if they were denied access to Manhattan Beach. They answered “yes” and gave us a story of how the police had snatched one of their cell phones. We then parked the car, and walked to the footbridge that goes into Manhattan Beach. Many groups of black and minority teens were walking from Manhattan Beach towards us, all with the same story – the Beach was closed. Some said that the cop posted in a scooter said that they could go to Brighton Beach or Coney Island, but that Manhattan Beach was closed to them. It was clear to see the dejection on many peoples’ faces. We then asked a group of minority teens to walk two by two across the bridge to see if they would be sent back. They were.
My mother then proceeded walk across the footbridge herself to ask this police officer if the beach was closed and if he was stopping minority children and teens from entering the Manhattan Beach neighborhood (Now mind you, by this time, things were not going as smoothly as this narration may seem – both I and my mother and others were very angry and distressed, so when I say “proceeded to ask”, you can infer that it wasn’t in a friendly calm manner. Respectfully beligerent probably describes it best). According to my mother, the officer in the scooter told her that the Beach was not closed to all, just closed to the teens for “Cut Day”, but wouldn’t answer her as to why the teens could not come over the footbridge, and said that if you want more information, then see my captain. According to my mother, three white teens actually exited the footbridge, and headed down Exeter St., presumably to the Beach. Seeing this, She then proceeded to say to the officer “Are you actually picking and choosing who can and cannot cross the bridge?!?” He didn’t answer. She then came back over the footbridge, relayed the above information to me, and we then decided to escort the teens with us across the footbridge in order to find out more information as to who could and couldn’t enter the Beach. The cop in the scooter didn’t stop us, raising his hands in a flippant manner.
We then walked down Exeter St towards Oriental Blvd without incident. On Oriental Blvd., a squad car, #2659, pulled up and an officer screamed at us “Go back, the Beach is closed”. We then asked what was going on, and let them know that the teens with us were “with us” (in essence, taking responsibility for them) and the officer in the passenger seat became very beligerent and arrogant when we said that we were going to take up the matter with the captain, mouthing off something to us that I currently can’t recall. Mom screamed “this is what makes people feel like criminals!” as the car drove off. As he drove off, I took a picture of the squad car to remember their treatment.
When we reached the entrance to the Beach at Falmouth St.,there was a squad car blocking the entrance way, but there were children and adults playing in the playground area. I noted that there were no minority children in this area. Again, we asked why the beach was closed to another officer near the squad car. The officer was more cordial than the other and offered to allow my mother in, but not the teens behind us. We then asked him to radio whoever was in charge. This request was met with more scorn by a second officer who pulled up on a bicycle. Obviously by now, things weren’t cordial, and by this time, many of the teens who walked with us were leaving – a day of fun gone.
A Lt. Harrington pulls up and very loudly and aggressively told us that the beach was closed because of “an incident”. When we asked him to elaborate, he did not. We then asked that if there was an incident, then why wasn’t the entire park evacuated and why the other children and adults in the playground were present. He said that it wasn’t our business, and that the children were on a “field trip” and allowed to stay in the beach playground area (now as I think of it, it seems odd that if there was an “incident” that many would be evacuated while others would be allowed to stay by virtue of a “field trip”). We then asked why some officers were telling teens that the Beach was closed only to them, to which he responded that he didn’t know. When we objected to the selective nature of the evacuation of the Beach, Lt. Harrington became angrier, stating that it was “Senior Cut Day for this beach” as if that justified any action he chose.
When pressed further, Lt. Harrington made an aggressive step towards me.
I asked angrily “What? Are you trying to intimidate me?”, or something to that effect ( i might have said “What? Are you going to hit me?”, I’m not quite sure)
“Yeah”, he said. He then proceeded to shove me with both hands into my chest.
I said “You can’t lay your hands on me like that!” and readied my camera to take his picture, with the intent of pursuing a complaint against him.
While covering his badge, Lt. Harrington then told the officers, who had surrounded us, to cuff me and arrest me for disorderly conduct. I gave my camera to my mother (who you can imagine was livid), and when I asked if she could they could hand my cell phone to my mother, Lt. Harrington angrily ordered “No, That’s it! Put him in the car”
I was put into a squad car, and after a few minutes of sitting there was taken to the 61st by P.O. Quinn and P.O. Riviello. Both officers were professional, courteous (helping me in and out of the car) and acted fairly towards me at all times. My belongings were cataloged, and I was taken to a holding cell for a few minutes while a summons was written up. After I received the summons, I was released.
The real tragedy of the day is not what happened to me, but what happened to these kids. My mother witnessed teens crying,saying to her that they were scared of the police. Kids saying they were “chased” from the beach so quickly, that they left without their shoes and were barefoot walking Emmons Avenue.
The real tragedy was witnessing firsthand the police’s arrogance, and in the case of Lt. Harrington, the abuse of power and discretion. The very idea that one could think he could bully and shove people who posed no threat of bodily harm without provocation is abhorrent. My mother even recounted how the officer in squad car #2659 even drove around to arrogantly gloat over my arrest. How sickening.
The real tragedy is that one neighborhood wields so much power as to command a police precinct to violate civil rights.
The real tragedy is that one neighborhood demands and receives protection at the detriment of others. If these teens were so dangerous, why were they “herded” (for lack fo a better word) to other neighborhoods where said “dangerous” teens – now disgruntled – are left to their own devices.
The real tragedy is that civil rights is dead in Manhattan Beach.
It seems Manhattan Beach has managed to yell the loudest and now has the 61 precinct in their pockets. Why were the police telling kids to go to other beaches? Why would the other beaches allow “truant” students? Why was there no stepped up presence in Sheepshead bay?
This is still a developing story and it seems that it will not go away. Its going to be a fun summer for Manhattan Beachers.
Here is a video from fox 5 news covering what happened last year, in response to Senior Cut Day.
This is very bad news. Now I understand wanting to police the beach to address rowdy individuals but this event seems to have gone way out of hand. But why such over the top, aggressive and draconian method of crowd control? I’m sure our very fine police department (really) is more than capable of dealing with situations like this in professional manner. The failure to do so makes me think we should look at high level community and police officials. And, yes, we should also deal with those individual officers who abused their power and acted in a way less than we expect from our police force.
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What a cocky, arrogant cop. Shoving a person for asking a question? Nice. That’s unbelievable. I’m sorry that Gene had to go through such an ordeal for stepping up to the plate on behalf of some kids that seemed to be doing absolutely nothing wrong.
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It disgusts me that the kids were treated this way. It’s a clear abuse of power and a clear example of racism, discrimination, and prejudice. How come no one commenting on this article mentioned that?
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Gene, it takes a lot of guts to step up to the plate and stand up for those who can’t stand up for themselves. I commend you and your mother, it is very refreshing.
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Kudos to the comment above.
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Hey Dr. Ron – what’s the going rate for purchasing a police precinct?
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Race War!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155461
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Having witnessed the BS at Critical Mass and the RNC protests, I am not surprised that the NYPD acted in such a thuggish manner. The NYPD is in theory under civilian control, but you would never know that the way Bloomberg lets Ray Kelly do whatever he pleases, the law be damned.
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Gene your story stinks just like you do everyon knows that you were trying to create a problem….and before you try going to the beach fat ass try washing it as it stinks just like your BS story who cares about what you think…I hope the judge throws the books at you for interfering with the police
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I am pretty sure that the problem isn’t being black – it has to do with dressing in disgusting baggy clothes and du-rags and everything else kids who cause trouble wear.
If you wore normal beach clothes I am sure there wouldn’t have been a problem.
There is a difference between being black and being a thug who cuts school.
Stop complaining about race when it has to do with the fact that you are cutting school and dressing like rappers who glorify violence and throw trash everywhere.
I love my black people, I don’t love “thugs”. Unforunately in the city, many of them feel like they have to dress and act like that, when in reality, clearly, and stated constantly by normal people, we are all the same and have the same potential for good and bad.
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@The Master,
Very true. I am black myself and more people need to realize that it is no longer the color of skin that people are judging. It is the character that many of these children probably lacked.
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Wow. Gene create a problem? Gene tries to resolve problems if you knew anything at all. Do your homework. Try reading his recount of this story verbetim and then tell me it was he that was causing a problem. Holy crap batman. How about asking any one of those kids that experienced this. Ask them, I beg you to.
When the police officer gives his story, then come back and claim it was one-sided, until then, you were not there, so shut the f up. Uflippenreal.
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The cops job is to interrupt “Cut Day” and your mother’s job is to be a mother and not try to be your “cool friend”. Seriously dude get a grip…..
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who is this guy gene! sounds like a fucking dick if the kids were walking down his block he would call the 61, the kid should have been in school when did the law change that a student in HS can take off when ever they like to, and last year the police had a hand full of arrest with students with guns on them so thank the 61pct you fucking asshole
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I don’t think there is a law about cutting school. and the truancy thing ends at 12. Trust me(Anonymous) I used to cut all the time and got to know the rules real quick.
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What the hell was fat ass Gene doing at the beach( Was he wearing his speedo swim suit) when was the last time this guy was at MB I have never seen his fat ass there..so why is he going to the beach on cut day with his mommy….the fact is the guy has never solve any problems he can’t even solve how to keep himself clean “up in smoke I think the sink of Gene has gotten to your head if you think his guy gets things done you are a bigger loser that him …the fact is the police have a job to do and Gene was interfering with this.
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These thugs were suppossed to be in school, not at the beach. Kudos to the police for teaching them a lesson. People that live in MB pay a lot of taxes and are entitled to services. That’s life in a a capitalist society, if these kids don’t like it, too bad, they need to improve themselves.
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MRG: Yeah – the cops have a job to do – I agree there 100% but does this give a cop the right to put their hands on somebody and shove them like an arrogant asshole? The cops told these kids to go to another beach – cut out day or not. They didn’t tell them, ‘ok children time to get the paddy wagon go back to school.’ Come on. The guy asked the cop a question after seeing these kids walking back from the beach and that’s what’s done to him?
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Although I really have no opinion about this manhattan beach mess. I will say that I totally believe that this gene was doing the right thing, that area needs to realize that they are part of a larger community.
What I really just wanted to say is that photo of the old guys talking, is really great.
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PLEASE start a Manhattenbeach.net so we don’t have to suffer through this nonsense on a GERRITSEN BEACH blog. Thank you.
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I THINK THE POLICE ACTED LIKE REAL BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN PROTECTING US FORM TROUBLE. WE SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING AND LET THE POLICE DO THERE JOBS. THE FACT IS WE (MANHATTAN BEACH) COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE SPOILED AND USE OUR MONEY AND POWER TO GET WHAT WE WANT. MY ADVISE PUT YOUR MONEY IN YOUR MOUTH AND SHUT UP!!!!!!
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For all of you calling Mann Beach racist and wrong for not wanting the THUGS in their neighborhood on senior cut day, why not invite the THUGS down to Gerritsen for the day.
It is not about race it’s about BAD BEHAVIOR. The cops were 100% correct in acting as they did, I wish they would do more to address the issue of Black Youth behaving badly.
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Kudos to the men and women of 61st Precinct. God bless!
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UPDATE……I have been on the beach the last 2-days looking for Fat Ass Gene ( along with a group of others looking for him) with the temperatures getting close to 100 degrees and I have not seen Fat Ass Gene and his Mommy on the Beach ..now why would he not want to cool off his Fat Ass on dates like this ???? but he had his Fat ASS going to the Beach on Cut Day ….just shows that the only reason why he was at the beach that day was to cause a problem and interfering with the Police doing their job.
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UPDATE: You’re an asshole! Oh wait, that’s not much of an update… people could tell that already just by reading the hate you spew.
You’re really doing your neighborhood a service by calling people names. It’s people like you that give Manhattan Beach such a bad reputation.
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i just got off of the q train right now, and the cops are STILL asking only minority kids for ID and asking them where their going. isn’t this AMERICA???? when did we move into a police state?
something has to be done to stop this. OUr freedoms are being taken away!
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ATT: concerned sd citizen ..your are the ass hole and 2nd I come to MB from Marine Park you ass hole and when I get to the BEACH I just would like people behaving them selfs. I guess this it not my right or any other law abiding citizens right who also pay taxes..so we have no rights based on your asshole statements ….BUT WERE is Fat Ass GENE no where to be found.
You are missing the whole point ass hole
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A. Goldstein – You may not be aware of it, but we live in the U.S., which means that as citizens it is our duty to question those in power, especially when they appear to abuse their authority. Your attitude is what allows fascism to take hold in previously democratic countries. Please retake your the Civics class that you obviously failed.
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Mike if you choose to defend the bad behavior of the black community and question the authority of the police to act against it the you and your family should be the VICTIM of the of it go live w/brothers ASSHOLE!
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GBers don’t kid yourselves, you’re not wanted in their neighborhood either. Just try finding a parking spot May-Sept weekends & Holidays…HA! City streets my ass, my tax dollars repair those streets and we can’t even use em!
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Mike your a dick i dont defend anyone its a public beach and the community thinks they own it give me a break. You seem like the type still lives at home with mommy talking about questioning power your the type that get a ticket and then crys like a bitch MIKE get a life i would love to see you get jumped at the beach then lets see if you still keep flapping your mouth you would run to those authority abusing cops with your dick between your legs
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Here’s an idea…Let’s have cut day in Gerritsen Beach Next Year at Kiddie Beach!! We could invite all of the nice boys and girls who cut school that day to come down. Gene B. and his supporters could be the hosts!!
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Not gunna happen, Kiddie Beach is not a public beach, its a private beach. Remember what happened when MB tried to turn private last year? Lots of bad press.
you liberals i would wish on all that the NYPD would just shut down for a week and see if you leave your house you would not be able to fight your way out of a wet paper bag so stop the race card they dont belong on the beach thats all, and i wish on all that have something bad to say about the 61 your mother gets robbed at gun point and see who comes to save your sorry ass, so lets all just drop this and go on with life and a big thank you to fat ass!
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KIDDIE BEACH PRIVATE??? SAYS WHO??
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Kiddie Beach is privately owned land. You need to own or rent in GB to join and there is a fee. It has been this way for over 40 years. Manhattan beach is not the Silver Gull club or kiddie beach. It is a public beach that is supposed to be open to everybody.
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I’m sorry, I seem to have missed the lesson where keeping the government in check was a “liberal” position. Wasn’t it supposed to be the conservatives that were against too much government power? So, conservatives can’t question why these rogue cops are denying people to move around freely based on their race? Conservatives can’t object to assault by a police officer? This seems to be a common theme these days — that you’re branded a “liberal” if you believe in the rule of law.
Albert, no, sorry, I don’t live at home with my parents — I rent my own place with my own hard-earned money (I know that would have been your next ad-hominem attack) I’m not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion, though.
noone — Wow, the “whole black community” is bad? Strikes me as improbable, and pretty racist as well. Whatever happened, it still does not give a few cops the right to do whatever they want. Or do you think cops should be allowed to assault citizens with impunity?
Sounds like there’s a lot of pent up anger in this community regarding race and class. Maybe there’s a way to resolve it without ridiculous police tactics that are illegal, counterproductive and don’t really address the real issues at hand. Just a thought.
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Mike: When you read Gene’s account of what happened on the day in question “Cut Day”. Remember it is only HIS account, in general there are always two sides two a story. I am sure the police account is well documented in the court paperwork. Gene even states he doesn’t recall what he said to the police (that is legalize for, I don’t want to idict myself with my own words) Because the police had restricted the area due to prior complaint’s of residents, on a specific day, which is lawful in order protect the safety and property of citizens, when Gene refused to leave he violated sec. 240.20.6 NYS pl. which states” He congregates with other persons in a public place and refuses to comply with a lawful order of the police to disperse. ” also the police may use physical force when someone is in violation of law.
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Here is the problem with that. I was told there by “brass” that there were no incidents or problems at the beach that day.
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there was no order to disperse, and people were everywhere and no one was ever told to leave the street.
They were taking preventive measurments based on the previous years expierience, asking a few kids not to come down to the beach that day, prevents having to make all kinds of arrests when thing get out of hand. That is preferable, agreed.
PS. Thanks for the website. I visit often, as someone who lived in Gerritsen Beach for 28 years and now lives elsewhere Gerritsen Beach will always and forever be Home.
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No street parking during beach season? same thing in Rockaway.
We would not need to invite others to have a teen problem here.
Manhatten Beach, Coney Island are PUBLIC. They have life gaurds paid for by the city. Kiddie beach’s life guards are paid for by GB property owners dues & the beach fee.
The point is public land & you are not permitted to swim as there are no life guards. Try having a beach NO One can use
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To clarify, I think the above comment was meant to read that “the point in gb” is public land, no life guards, etc. and not meant to interpret as ‘getting to the point’. Correct?
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“The Point in GB” is a physical place at the end of gerritsen avenue. So you are correct.
As someone who works relatively close to Manhattan Beach I personally witnessed hords of teenagers coming off the train and heading to the beach. The race of these kids DID NOT raise concern nearly as much as the behavior of these kids did. When you walk down a street howling, cursing & jumping at storefronts, when a Newsstand has to lock their door because they were robbed ,with one employee inside, as 50-60 teenagers cleared out the racks and the refrigerators – you give off the presumption that things are going to get unruly. Please don’t turn this into a racial or discriminatory issue. Police Officers are employed to enforce the law, which includes defusing a situation that has potential to get out of control. If something bad or tragic had happened on the beach that day- the police would be torn apart for NOT controlling the teen crowd enough, for not taking the proper precaution. Two of our strongest city organizations – the MTA & The NYC Police Department saw fit to make a call based on what they physically witnessed and could presumably predict was an accident waiting to happen.
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How can you run a site called Gerritsen Beach.net and be so liberal? Would you want these people hanging out in the fields on senior cut day or at the point? In case you haven’t noticed the whites are the minority on MB.
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Just to point out how wrong you are.
We have a ton of people hanging out in the soccer fields all weekend and more so on Thursdays and Fridays. Schools also make field trips to the fields. No one has a problem with “these people” hanging out.
“These People” sounds likes Dr. Rons email from last year. That might even be the next title of my next post about MB! How very racist of you. Im not even going to comment on your whites are the minority statement because you are so obviously racist.
All you FUCKING BULLSHIT LIBERALS who defend the bad behavior of black youths should become victims of their crimes. It is not a matter of RACISM it is a matter of the fact that white youths do not act in the the animalistic fashion that black youths do. The cops should be allowed to fully crack down, but you FUCKING LIBERALS go off on your civil rights bullshit. Last time I was on the subway when school let out MY RIGHTS were violated, everyday when my son walks the halls of his HS and has to be subject to the behavior of the black students his rights are violated. Anyone who defends the black youth clearly spends no time around them or is simply a FUCKING ASSHOLE!
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What does this have to do with Gerritsen Beach? This is GerritsenBeach.net, right? OH wait, was the site changed to NotJustGerritsenBeach.net?
I can’t wait until I hear about a store being held up in Alabama on the front page of this very website.
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Everyone is going in the wrong direction. Come on people it’s cut day. A bunch of youths out looking to hang out and aventually get in trouble. It always happens.
Some people cause more problems than others especially if they don’t come from the areas.
It was called crowed patrol. I’ve been asked to leave places when i was younger because we weren’t suppose to be there. So we left. Big deal it’s a big world if your suppose to be in school then that’s were you should be. Not hanging out in a naborhood that’s not yours! Hang out in your own backyard. OH RIGHT YOUR NOT SUPPOSE TO BE HOME!!!!
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Gene, you put yourself in that predicument. You were looking for a story. So you got one just not a very good one.
Next time the kids go wilding guess you’ll be there giving the police a hard time ha? Kids should not be able to run things!!!
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they are thugs…they come and destroy a community what they did not build, they destroy. They destroy their own shitty communities and kill each others in their hoods. if you read news and watch all they all the time they shoot each other and stabbed each other.
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All you have to do, should you question whether or not this is racism, is read some of the comments. This is disgusting.
I’ve never heard of crowed patrol, but I’m sure that we can have extra police on hand in public spaces when we are expecting a large influx of young people without violating anyones rights.
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Speaking as a “liberal” (i.e. voting for Obama, think Bush and his administration are corrupt morons, pro-choice, etc.) I have to agree that the cops were 100% correct in shutting these punks down. Don’t come barging into my community with your inconsiderate and violent actions and expect me to hug you because we’re all one big happy family. Show me respect. I’ll show you respect. If you don’t then we have a problem.
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@ Resa
Agreed!
I am not a liberal, nor am I against police. Just a regular person. I believe that you should not ban anyone from a public beach just on the thought that they “might” have inconsiderate actions – shouldn’t they have waited until they acted up? They just assumed because they were black kids they were going to act up??? Anyone ever see the hoards of white middle class kids coming out of Madison High School?? Not exactly angels – mine included!! All teenagers in groups are loud – and shocking as it may be to all the racists out there…the white teens in large crowds leaving Madison and schools alike curse and do not act like model citizens. Unfortunately, the white ones were allowed on the beach. It was the minorities who were being sent to Brighton. Not sent back to school. Sent to Brighton. Makes no sense to me.
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shouldn’t they have waited until they acted up?
This is the most poignant point I’ve read so far and I don’t consider myself a liberal either, in fact, I don’t know what I am since I agree with many points. Like above, I am just a regular average person, but I couldn’t agree more with that comment.
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Wow I never thought that I would have to be the voice of reason here. GB Net you are obviously a hardcore liberal, and completely biased in your comments. I am not a racist but I am around these young people who are being referred to as thugs enough to know that if there was not a police presence there, there would have been a problem. So instead of a story about murder or rape or gang fights, You with all your liberal propaganda end up writing a story about civil rights being violated *cough* Bullshit *cough*. Also don’t forget that this all started because of senior cut day, maybe if these young pillars of the community would go to school they might actually be able to make something of themselves instead of running afoul of the police.
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to just a human and amen: A very common criticism one hears regarding the police goes something like this” Does someone have to be raped or murdered before the police do anything?” , now I’m not suggesting for a minute that would have been the result of “cut day”, However, I am making the point that the police can do things to prevent bad things from happening when they had prior knowledge of events from the previous year. They did not round people up in paddy wagons, they just said, Don’t come down to the beach today. They didn’t say, Never set foot in manhattan beach again! Let’s get a grip on reality please.
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But to say that to “don’t come down to the beach today”one group and then allowing another – that’s wrong, cut day or not.
If the problem was cutting, then have the officers trained in truancy patrolling, checking IDs and program cards, and picking up kids for being truant. What the police did is SELECTIVELY tell people where to go and not to go based on their ASSUMPTIONS about them, not based on the facts That’s profiling, and it’s illegal and wrong.
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Response to L&O…I agree that the police should do what they can to prevent crimes, or rapes and murders, as you put it, from happening…absolutely! What I don’t agree with on senior cut day is to let the white kids on the beach and trains and turn the minorities away. If the police had turned all the “students” off the footbridge, train and beach, so be it…..I am 100% pro-police. I am 100% against racial profiling.
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I think the only group being profiled were teens who cut class, thats the group that created the problem last year.
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If elected, all black youth will come to the Point on cut day and ride ATV’s on the grass. Also I will crack down on your white trash, backyard wrestling. Are you folks in Brooklyn, NY or Mississippi? You folks make my white grandma cringe.
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about 99% of the time you can tell the difference between a student k-12 and a graduated high school student. i am pretty sure these kids were acting very different from the other people on the beach, which gave the NYPD a good reason to stop these kids. and i am sure they looked like they were still in school. have you ever been on the subway and have seen the difference between civilized people and uncivilized people? i rest my case
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GB.net is a major liberal.He doesn’t realize that not having these people in GB has allowed us to have the neighborhood we have today. Does he honestly think his father or grandfather would have stayed in GB if these people were coming here that often? He needs to change the name of his site to GBLiberal.net.
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Hey, how long have you lived in GB?
Have you ever been down the point in the summer in the 70′s 80′s & probably the 90′s?
THESE PEOPLE have always been down here in the summer. We in GB restrict our cliquey prejudice to those who live here not those who use the beach since the point is not a legal beach anyway & if we want to be exclusive we can just go to kiddiebeach
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Dear Anonymous,
Yeah, we get it already. You don’t want THESE PEOPLE in GB. You should have some crowed patrol there to keep THESE PEOPLE out.
Heh, heh, heh.
The rest of us actually graduated from high school and were once high school seniors who enjoyed long standing traditions like “cut-day”. We are not like some of you godlier than thou people.
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MRG you have to be the lamest peice of shit I have ever heard of. Don’t come here bitching just because your daddy sticks his dick in your ass every morning and now you are all bitter. Go get a fucking life. Suck a fat one. That goes for the rest of you racist little cock suckers as well. You make me sick, I hope the scary black people come to your neighborhoods and rape your ugly ass goombah mothers.
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L&O
What problem are you referring to?
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@resa
http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2007/06/15/manhattan-beach-and-their-bunker-mentality/
http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2007/06/18/update-on-bunkersville/
http://www.gerritsenbeach.net/2007/06/19/update-on-manhattan-beach/
Thank you GB.
My goodness. Litter on a public beach, a shooting and stabbing that never actually happened, alleged bike thefts. Yeah, it looks as though they have got a real problem in Manhattan Beach.
This is frustrating sh*t.
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Suck a fat one.
:-O
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One thing everyone seems to keep forgetting in our combative society is- THE POLICE ARE STILL “THE POLICE”!! Even though we have our freedom and our society is more LIBERAL then ever and everyone seems to think they can do whatever they want- We still have laws that hold together our society and keep order!! These guys and girls put their well being on the line to enforce those laws -for our greater well being!!!! Id rather you’d just say thank you and be on your way!!! Because at 3am when MR CAT BURGLAR is standing in your bedroom with a flash light and your children (or mommy) is in the other room- your not going care what color he is nor will you care what the police do to him!! Youll just want them there ASAP to protect your frightened ass!! But then – they will be your hero!! Why start unnesseccary non-sense!! Its not personnel – its their job!!! Their life is on the line daily for things that they have no intimate or personnel involvement in what so ever nor do they have any control over !! Its just their job!!! When a cop says to leave- you leave!!!! You get the hell out of there so you stay out of trouble!! Thats what smart people do!! 50 years ago- they would crack you with their stick- and that was acceptable back then- because we had a different society- Ill say it was better!! Kids learned discipline and respect !!!!! Our communities are getting worse because people like you wont let the police do their job!!!!! It is always the same people that get into these predicaments – Im sure this one is not your first one either!! Using color as a reason of why someone is in trouble with the police is just an EXCUSE-!!!
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The cops work for us. The cops have no right to tell you to leave a public space because you are black.
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I’ve always believed when someone put on the uniform they became color blind. Yes the “cops work for us” I doubt anyone was told you are black you have to leave this public space.
Police officers are instructed to asses a situation. If you have 2 groups at odds, you split up the scene. If one group lives outside the area they are instructed to leave, this is not because of their age, race or religion it is because they don’t live there so where else should they go? To a local corner? No they should leave the neighborhood & go to their own neighborhood & the group that lives in the area should go back to their homes.
its not racist its common sense.
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Who wrote and posted this article anyway? the attorney in question?
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Why don’t the thugs that hang out on Gerritsen Ave at night go home?
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Who wrote about MRG without signing their name ( maybe its Fat Ass Gene or his Mommy) but next time please give your name .
Seems like you have the problem sounds like you live under the highway in a broken down car
But if you want to write …then write about some facts Ass hole by the way you write sounds like you are the real fag because you can’t even sign you name …go back to your hole
And oh yes I stand by my statement the the Police were doing their job …God Bless the 61th
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Larceny, property damage, & graffitti would be reason enough for me to ask a few kids to come to the beach another time (especially if it were my or your home), however I’m a little more concerned with loaded guns on the beach. Anyway those are the problems I was reffering to since the question was posed to me.
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Thugs will act like fucking scumbags by not only committing crimes in their hood but also destroying communities that they never build and kept in good condition.
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Take it from somebody who was there at manhattan beach on the day in question. The police were not stopping only the poor littlr black kids. Gene got there to late he did not see them stopping everybody on the beach white, black’ yellow ‘ and green. The police were on the beach in there little beach vehicle stooping by each group in fact they stopped at one group of about 7 to 8 male and female “blacks” and after they produced there school id’s and program cards they were allowed to stay because they were finished with school. that is what the police wanted to do let the peoplr who were finished with school stay and have”fun in the sun” but those kids who were supposed to be in school had to leave and in fact the police loaded up two vans with 10 or 11 kids and did bring them to the truancy center. Now as far as kids crying because they were afraid is just crap. in fact the reason some kids were walking bare foot was not the police dept. fault it was the kids beacuse as soon as they saw the polic ego on the sand they started running and as we know only guilty people run. Gene was to late he was trying to make a name for himself. Now if i remmeber correctly why was he not on the tv or in the papers when some of the fine GB white boys chased down and beat some black kid in the street crying bias it seams that he chooses what he wants to be involved in. Good for that him got locked up he should not have gotten involved and just stayed in the very bias GB area. next time gene learn that you should not involve your self in matters that dio not concern you. And tell mommy to mind her own business before you get her locked up to……….Support your police if you don’t then don’t call when you are getting your ass handed to you or your getting a loaded gun pointed in your face by the same poor “black” kids that you guy’s are defending (point of intrest) Good sheppard and a poor black kid!!!!!!!!!!! who pucnched an old lady and stole her car i cry for those poor black kids every day BOO HOO STOP DEFENDING SUCH CRAP!!!!!!
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I love it – a contrived event, this guy getting locked up INTENTIONALLY to make a name for himself. He knew just the right kids to approach, just the right cop in charge to provoke, and used his masterful skills of manipulation to goad said officer into assaulting him, then sending him to jail! Please.
Let’s also blame Gene for not being at every racial incident for the past twenty years, and while we’re at it, let’s blame him for the recession, high gas prices and everything that’s bad in the world. Let’s break out all the conspiracy theories, and turn it all around on him, because he’s really such a horrible terrible guy! And let’s call him names while we’re doing all that. Perfect!
And hell, why not? Saying all that is not only great misdirection and deflection of the issue, but it is so much easier to be believed by the people who are actually buying such garbage than it is to face up to the REAL TRUTH: that some people in this rich tight assed neighborhood are finally being shown for what they really are…racist, paranoid, and ill equipped to deal with people who they think are “beneath” them.
Bravo. What a masterful work of bullshit!
And by the way, what better way to show that YOU are not racist than to point out to everyone that the guy involved in the Good Shepard crime is black. After all, the two stories are SO comparable. They both involve black people, after all… I guess that proves you and Manhattan Beach right – because only black people commit crimes, right?
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TO the truth ..GREAT job writing the truth …..But you know there will always be the people like Anonymous that try to work the story to be what they want it to be …the Fact is the Fat Ass Gene was trying to stop the Police from doing their Job BOTTOM LINE END OF STORY.
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MRG: Why such venomous hate towards this Gene guy? Just curious.
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to Anonymous:
What would you do if one of these nice kids that were at the beach that wearing the nice colors (bloods, crips, kings and not forget the ms-13) were to walk down your block in a group of about 30 to 50 walking in your grass in the street yelling and screeming cursing and walking thru your nice new concrete that was just layed and ripping it up what would you do. sit there yell to the wife and kids hey honey look at that nice group of kids let introduce our selves to them they look nice in there fancy colors and have them in for a nice glass of ice tea. No you would probably be one of the first people to call 911( the bad people the nypd would show up) and i garuntee you that if the police stopped them they would find some nice weapons on them. And to the fact of the shit stirrer gene why was he there in the first place it seems pretty far from GB (don’t let a black male go down there) why else would he involve himself in this if he did not have other motives. Now agree that manhatten beach get alot of attention but if you had to up with as much stuff as they do you be the same way. And for somebody to be ASSAULTED there has to be an injury it is public knowlege in fact you can go the book store and buy the penal law in nyc for an ASSAULT there has to be injury a PUNCH, KICK, SHOVE is not an assault maybe you might want to read. the BLACK KID who did the robbery probably came down to the beach with the womans car that he stole to show off. Lets take a look at crime yes white people do commit crimes but look at stats. most of the people who do crimes are of color. WE can thank gene for the problems with the higher gas prices because it takes more fuel to make his car move because of the weight that is in the car him and mommy! and thank you to mrg when you prevent police from doing there job its called obstructing governmental authority which he could of been locked up for (again nys penal law aval.at book stores if you read) DON’T Interfear with the police. And monday is the last day of school so lets invite all those nice kids to GB for a field trip to kiddie beach and you will se what happens i think i might do that!!!!!!!!!!
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My brother got arrested by the 61st precint. They were looking through his phone and he had the Israeli flag as his back ground so one cop said to him, “So you’re a fucking Jew”.
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Truth – you’re so wrong in so many ways.
Here we go again, assuming all black kids are bad! THEY’RE NOT!Your argument sucks because it’s racist and ignorant. You know, if we all started hating groups of people because of a bad experience we had with a few of them, then we’d hate everyone, so spare me your sob story. We all have stories about bad people, that doesn’t mean that you lump all like people together.
It’s amazing how so many people are dealing in absolutes – all cops are good, all black teens are bad. It’s bullshit, people! Good and bad come in all varieties!
And obviously, you don’t know what an assault is. I went to look it up – it’s to threaten physical harm and battery is touching someone without permission. It’s not about the amount of harm done.
And here we go again with your racist tendencies. Give it a rest.
Obstructing governmental authority???? HA HA HA HA. Are you just making this shit up? Reading is fundamental. He got a disorderly conduct ticket, which could mean just about anything! What the hell, (wo)man?!?!? Can’t you get one thing right????
This would have been a fun match of wits – if you weren’t such a witless wonder. You’re doing such a disservice to the word “truth” that it’s gone from funny to just plain sad. Do us all a favor and stop touching the machine with the letters and the pretty colorful screen. It’s clearly beyond your capacity.
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Bravo Anonymous! That was really funny!
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Anonymous i dont know what you are reading but PUNCH KICK SHOVE IS HARASSMENT FOR AN ASSAULT THERE HAS TO BE INJURY! AND OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY IS A PENAL LAW CODE DUMMIE IT IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT BUT THE TRUTH IS YOU ARE WRONG JUST ASK ANY COP WHAT OGA IS THEY WILL TELL ALSO ASK THEM WHAT IS AN ASSULT AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. I THINK IT IS VERY FUN MATCHING WITS WITH AN IDIOT WHO THINKS HE KNOWS WHAT HE OR SHE IS TALKING ABOUT MY ADVICE TO YOU WOULD TO READ SOME MORE BECAUSE YOU REALLY NEED TO. AND TO TELL I AM NOT RACIST I JUST THINK THAT WHEN THESE INDIVIDUALLS COME INTO A N AREA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS AND NICE HOUSES THEY FEEL THE NEED TO BE DESTRUCTIVE AND YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE INCIDENT YOU WOULD UNDERSTRAND THAT EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IS THE TRUTH. NEXT YEAR ON SENIOR CUT WHY DON’T WE ALL HAVE A FUN FILLED TRIP DOWN TO THE BEACH AND SEE HO THESE FINE YOUNG MEN AND WOMAN ACT AND THEN YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE ALL SAYING. AND YES GENE DID GET A DISCON SUMMONS OR A “C” SUMMONS P.L. 240.20 SUB 3 LISTEN THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THESE KIDS COME TO THAT BEACH TO HAVE FUN NOW ARE ALL OF THEM PERS NO BUT THE MAJORITY ARE AND BECAUSE OF THAT UNFORTUNATLY THE GOOD ONE HAVE TO SUFFER FOR THERE ACTIONS LAST YEAR DURING THE LAST SENIOR CUT DAY THERE WAS ONE GUN RECOVERED OFF OF ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND OTHER WEAPONS WERE FOUND ON THE BEACH AND SCATTERED AROUND THE AREA. FROM ONE OF THE MULTIPLE FIGHTS THAT HAPPENED THAT DAY A KID WAS SHOT AND DIED AT THE AVE. U TRAIN STATION. SO AGAIN DO I THINK THEY ARE ALL BAD NO BUT YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT IS ALOT TO HAPPEN ON ONE DAY OF FUN AT THE BEACH. SO DO I THINK THE POLICE WENT TO FAR NO BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT TO GO HOME TO THERE FAMILYS SO THE MEASURES THEY TOOK WERE IN REASON. SO NOW LET ME ASK YOU WERE YOU THERE FOR BOTH DAY’S I KNOW I WAS I SAW IT FIRST HAND WHERE WERE YOU …..
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To Anonymous June 14, 2008, 12:09 am
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I think you are ignorant. When same group of people or same race of people keeps on doing at what they do the best to destroy property and put fear in people that’s a normal reaction you will get. Yes other nationalities have some bad apples to but they not repetitive like black thugs do it not only in their communities but also bring that garbage to the community that they never put an effort not a care to build and maintain in excellent condition. Damn it apparently new legally blind governor pass a law if someone hangs noose its automatic felony charge, but how come swastika is not in the same category. I fed up with all this…this country is turning into a shit hole. I am a proud Jew and a proud supporter of Israel and my born country. And I know we have a lot of Jew haters in this blog. Damn people and the world always come up with conspiracy theories against Jews and Israel. I can tell you this whenever Jews move into a community or builds that community all kinds people want to move in there because its family friendly, safe and pleasant environment to be in.
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wow – all caps, huh? I must be getting under your skin! “The Truth” hurts!
Again, your “argument” regarding obstructing governmental authority: of course it’s in the penal code, you ass! But it didn’t happen here! Quit trying to confuse everyone, already.
And no, the good don’t have to suffer with the bad if the police take the time to root them out. Like they should. The sins of last year’s unpreparedness and the actions of a few should not be visited on others.
There were over FIVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED teens on Brighton Beach and Coney Island on the same day… and less than TEN arrests!
Just say the REAL “truth” already – that you don’t like minorities in your neighborhood already, it’s easier to say (and less typing) than all the words you’re been using as a tap dance on this site to exhibit the contrary.
Oh, and Baki? You’re merely entertainment to me. I’m ignorant, but you rail on black thugs. Hilarious. Keep ‘em coming! It’s not a normal reaction to hate a people for one member of that groups’ actions, it’s straight up ignorance, and one of the characteristics of a racist.
Do you know those rash of robberies in MB this week? 4 robberies: three committed by the same white guy, 1 by a minority kid. Scum knows no color. They’re just scum.
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Comment from Anonymous
Time: June 14, 2008, 11:46 am
So you trying to tell me you not races. LOL
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Right, I’m not races.
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Sandra, your brother should have an AMERICAN flag on his phone. If he wants to love another country more maybe he should move to Israel.
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Happy Gilmore…..Go take a hike….
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@ THE TRUTH
Right on, as I suspected Gene must have shot his mouth off that day(sub 3). It sounds like misdemeanor OGA would have been a perfectly suitable charge as well. Gene was only given a C summons, it would have been nice to see him get the OGA and a summary arrest and remain locked up until arraignment. The Lt. was obviously feeling benovolent, Gene should thank him for not having to spend the night in lock-up. I wonder what resa would have done to save the life of the kid who was murdered, Oh that’s right resa is more concerned about the kid’s feeling’s being hurt because the kid would not be allowed on the beach for a day, I wonder what happens when it rains. Anyway great job by the 61, nobody killed this year.
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I used to live in a basement in Manhattan Beach. My landlady did not like me because I bought a tiny laundry machine and offered to leave. I agreed, but she wanted me to leave before the paid month end and I did not want it. Then she threated me to complain to police that I sexually harassed her 2 yo daughter and I went to 61 precinct to fill my complain about her threats. While I was filling the landlady arrived there too and police officer told me that I should not fill the complaint, because he can see that she is laing and I have nothing to worry about and have to go home and he is going to set her home too. I was so naive that decided to cooperate and went home without finishing the complaint. Few days later a received a letter from Child Protective Services that landlady has filled a complaint about me with them. As I understand that PO suggested her their website. The letter says that they will conduct investigation and if they found me guilty then my name will be stored in their database and if not then my name will be stored there anyway.
After that she continued to harass me , like blocked my way home and I had to call police, and every time they arrived she had showed them the letter (she’s got a copy of it too) to police, and they did not want to listen to me and threated with arrest.
I think even without the letter police officers of 61 precinct would bow before them anyway, because they want big fat donations from them.
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