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Continuing with our “one of these things doesn’t belong†game; up next is 3415 Fillmore Avenue. They completely squared off the front of the house then and added a floor. While walking down Fillmore you will immediately notice its out of character profile.
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1st comment, you will see a trend, ha ha
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Is this within code and if not, how do they get away with this?
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HOPE THEY HAVE A LICENCE FOR THIS. OTHER WISE IT COULD ALL COME DOWN.
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Are they Russian?
If you need a house that big, buy a bigger house, dont wreck the ambiance of the area…why is this allowed.
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Holy Noah’s ark!
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Must be russians again
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It’s the Orthodox Jewish. They are buying and renovating Marine Park to their desire.
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Nyet, if they have cash vy not build? You people are too small or too poor. This good country Amerussia, nyet?
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you people are always worried about what other people are doing!!!
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Looks like they want to live up in the tree with the birds.
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just checked out the DOB website – nice!
No fine and hearing Dismissed!
Yet – let’s not block the driveway!
Amount Imposed: $0.00 Amount Paid: $0.00
Hearing Status: D – DISMISSED
Compl Status: D – VIOL DISMISSED
Compl By Date: 11/21/2007 Compl Met Flag:
Compl Met Date: Viol Severity: B – MODERATE
Infraction Codes: B04 27-147 WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT
Description of Violation: WORK W/O A PERMIT. WORK NOTED:2 1/2′FT DEEP EXCAVATION OF ENTIRE CELLAR W/BOILER/HOT WATER HEATER/ALL ELECTRICAL & PLUMBING LINES RIPPED OUT /GUTTING ENTIRE CELLAR. REMEDY:OBTAIN PERMIT OR RESTORE PREMISES
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As a Jew I am offended by the comment from one of my Marine Park neighbors, who was too cowardly to give a name.
As a resident here and who drives past this house every day I see nothing wrong. It’s their house, their property, their money. Is it imposing on you in any way? Or is it just one more annoyance for people who have nothing better to do with themselves but worry about what others are doing? Like it or hate it, just move past it and mind your own business. Maybe you would do better to tend to your own property this spring. Mow your lawns, plant some flowers, paint your house, or better yet: CLEAN UP THE CRAP IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE! You may even increase its value. Then some rich Jewish family might offer you a bundle for it.
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Oy vey.
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On one aspect, I agree that religious affiliation has no place in this discussion, even though it is clearly evident that certain religious and ethnic groups seem to be repeatedly guilty of ignoring existing building codes & getting away with little or no punishment. But the comments above highlight the arrogance & ignorance that some people have when it comes to obeying building code laws that are on the books for “everyone” to follow. Just because you own a home does not give you the right to build a structure that violates written laws that were made for a reason. One just has to look at some of the houses in the neighborhood that have been surrounded by condos and had their property values obliterated to understand why we have such laws in place. No one has the right to devalue the worth of a neighbor’s property by obliterating their neighbor’s home with their newly renovated, out of place monstrosity. I see nothing wrong with concerned residents of Marine Park wanting the existing laws applied equally to everyone. Community involvement is what makes it such a great neighborhood in the first place. Those who move in and choose to isolate themselves & not interact with their neighbors diminishes the sense of community that has existed for many years to the benefit of all who live here.
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True, but what about the people you don’t let move in. I know several minority families who could well afford to move “into” Marine Park but are not wanted. True?
And when we allow anyone of our own race (white) we now complain because they choose to “isolate themselves & not interact with their neighbors diminishes the sense of community”, ha what a croc. That’s only if you are not minority.
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If they don’t have a permit shame on them! I am however fairly sure this area was recently zoned to allow people to build up an extra floor.
However a sense of community doesn’t come from how your renovate your house but how involved in the community you are.
Though we restored our Marine Park home to the original 1920s Arts and Craft’s style I can’t expect everyone to do the same. Still our restoration does not make us a good neighbor. What does is our involvement and interest in the community.
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It’s easy to say religious affiliation has no place, but when you talk to the man who bought the house just to fix it up and make money on it, he will tell you what he told me: His plan is to sell it to a “rich jewish family” and he wants a “jewish realtor” to sell it. And to “Mitch 220″ What’s offensive is that you live in a beautiful neighborhood your whole life, where everyone has a strong sense of community which keeps the neighborhood a great place to raise your family – We don’t mind who comes in as long as they are coming bec they appreciate our neighborhood and want to join it. Instead we get a group that noticed it for the first time, and wants to come in and not joint it – TAKE IT OVER. They change the houses before they even move in (ugly square boxes with no need for yards or greenery), which leaves the other houses in the shadows and then they buy out the neighborhood stores and change them to strictly kosher places. I know there is some sort of jewish bath house going in on E. 36 and Ave R too. We keep quiet like you suggest and suddenly our home for 50 years which is where our children want to raise their children, is gone and we’re living in a strange neighborhood with strange stores that we have no use for, with no resemblance to what we had. AND BY THE WAY, they are no longer the clean swept well maintained blocks we had, which is why we never had alternate side in this neighborhood for the sanitation to come by and sweep. People in THIS neighborhood sweep and manicure their homes. In Borough Park and those neighborhoods, the sanitation dept. has to come by to do it. If a person wants a house so much larger than the ones in a certain neighborhood — they’re looking in the wrong neighborhood! If you want to come in bec you like the feel of the neighborhood and what it’s about, then by all means…you are welcome to and we’re happy to have you join us.
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I have to say, when it’s finished it may not stick out that badly. Put some siding on it and, hopefully, windows in the front, and it could be fine. Most of the detached houses in brooklyn are quite ugly anyway — the other two in this photo are no exception!
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Looks like it is time for a change….
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Comment To Mitch 220: How Long Have You Been A Resident? The problem with this renovation is that it is not being done by “the owner” so it is not their house, their property, their money. It is being done by someone who has done it several times in this neighborhood – Buying properities, renovating to house twenty, and flipping the renovated “monster” for a profit. The character, personality, and charm of the neighborhood is fast fading. The fact that you see no problem with it indicated just how long you have been a Marine Park Resident. Did you buy a flipped house? Perhaps thats why you see no problem with it!
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AnonAnon, learn to speak English or go back back to Brighton!
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Lifetime Resident….you are so so right…I agree with all you said and want to add this….the seller of the property also holds some responsibility. People talk about keeping the community the way it was but when the ‘For Sale’ sign goes up, they will sell to anyone.
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Rigth on to Concerned Neighbor and Lifetime Resident but sorry to say it is alittle to late because the DOB knows what is going on but will not really do much about it because not enough people complain. I have spoke to DOB many times, one time when I asked how is this guy getting away with renovation for $.30,000 because that is what is stated on permit his comment was i quote ” I know but people lie to get away with it” . That’s what I mean when I say too late.
Also Mitch220 you really have not lived here to long or you would know how people around here take care of their homes you are a jacka**. I want to hear from you when this goes up next to you ,your tune and attitude will be much different.
And Also a Lifetime Resident you’ll right sellers should be more mindful maybe all the people who are unhappy should go to the person who lived in this house for all her life because she still lives in the neighborhood on 32nd St ,her family member who was involved in selling this property lives in Long Island, what did he care, one thing and one thing only $$$$ signs.
And PhotoJeff
How can we stay a community when our new neighbors will not even sent their children to the community schools or shop in the the community stores.
And Marine Parker I’m still baffled on how he got away with no fine and dismissed hearing? blocking driveway still open not resolved who will resolve when DOB stopped by one day after complain was made, was raining and DOB worker did not get out of car, this was witnessed by neighbor,so I’m not just taking this out of the air this really happened because all DOB cars are marked.
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Fascinating conversation on this one – latent anti-Semitism coming out – but that construction is a “shonda” (a shame in Yiddish) and certainly out of place. But if zoning permits – take action to restrict it…Don’t criticize owner/developer for doing what he can legally do.
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THIS AREA IS ZONED R4 he has every right to do this and this is still considered a bunglow big deal we go from a home with 1124 sq add half floor is still does not meant the sq of a regulation sized home still under 1500sq with add ons this home will be 1400sq big deal with no driveway or back yard and this back yard looks biger no garage like on normal homes only area in brooklyn i know were carports became known as full driveways some have shared carports
funny you talk about not wanting minorities and how the jews are taking over your area when a couple of years ago it was known this area was becoming a ghetto that was the only people coming in and the residents were leaving marine park fast in the span of a year avenue p and parts of quentin were complely changed ryder ? harlem ?difference? even today looks the same the only other people willing to by and save the neboorhood were the jews they saved this neboorhood think back everyone was so excited they could still get any type of money for their home and that they did not have to leave in fear like everyone else
now a couple of years later you forget you were all leaving and this area was known as a do not by area that area it is the next old mill basin
take over the neboorhood ? jews dont even make up ten pecent get the facts right look all over to the next neboorhood in the 20s that is a jewish area about 20 synogoges and like 25 jewish schools and and almost no christians thats a take over st. agnes is not even their anymore it is a jewish school now. christmas time you would not even know marine park had any jewish population at all and the area were they are most is the area by p with the boarded up homes no one wated drive by p and 36 a boarded up home is still their jews that go to marine park cannot afford to be in a established jewish area so they go there with a small jewish population and pray out of an old semi attached one family home and though a small few bought the homes on filmore or that area it is not even common jews have large familys and most of the time would not even think of buying such a small reality home with only 1000sq that could never fit their large family so whats the big deal if a jewish faimly did extend this tiny home not even regulation size to 1400sq still not up to code for regultion size and a parcel of land is minmum 20 x 100 which is 2000sq these homes some how have 1800sq of land
still this improvement makes your homes worth more for two resons updates to the home and area with larger jewish populations become worth more not to meantion the jews stoped the ever increasing popultion of what you did not want their and its funny they say the jews are taking over beacuse there are more blacks currently living in marine park then religious jews look up the facts or just drive and be thankfull you did not have to leave now you can share not run you might even make money on the deal
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ITS OWNED BY A PERSON NOT A COMPANY CAN TELL BY THE PROPERTY RECORDS
12/6/2006 Satisfaction Of Mortgage $0 Treitel, Isreal Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc.
11/6/2006 Mortgage $80,600 Treitel, Israel Citibank, Na
9/6/2006 Mortgage $39,000 Treitel, Israel Citibank, N.A.
9/6/2006 Mortgage $314,400 Treitel, Israel Mers
9/6/2006 Deed $393,000 Montalbine, Thomas
As Administrator Of The Estate Treitel, Israel
12/26/1973 Assignment, Mortgage $0 Hamilton Fedl Savs & Loan Assn Of Brooklyn State Of NY Mtge Agency
7/17/1973 Deed $0 Lodolce Salvatore J Lodolce Salvatore J
3/24/1966 Mortgage $0 Lodolce Salvatore Hamilton Federal Savings And Loan Assn Of Bklyn
Neighborhood type Residential
Zoning R4
Building class A 1 One Family Dwelling
Style Old Style
Story height 2.00
Construction type Frame
Exterior wall Aluminum/Vinyl
Exterior condition Average
Year built 1930
Residential units 1
Date 1/15/2007
Lot frontage 22.00ft
Lot depth 85.00ft
Lot square footage 1,870
Lot shape Regular
Building frontage 14.00ft
Building depth 34.00ft
Finished square footage 1,124
Unfinished square footage 648
Garage type N/A
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Good post, creastbay. So wise guys/gals/whoever here are probably forgetting that Jews are perhaps the most loyal white citizens of New York City and did not flee to such an extent for suburbia and elsewhere as other white population groups (Jews make up about a third of white population in NYC) who ran away in droves in 1950′s, 1960′s, 1970′s and at other periods of time. Come to Midwood, for instance, and look at the residential streets and see what the Jews have done for the neighborhood (which is heavily but not exclusively Jewish), and all these misguided contributors will realize there is no basis to make generalizations accross the board.
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Take a walk down on Avenue S and East 36 ST, the stores are all crappy. You have to go to Flatbush to shop at Waldbaums. From the looks of all the 4sale signs in front of the houses it doesn’t look like anyone else is interested in moving in. Marine Pak neighborhood is way over rated, and then again you still have to send your kids to Marine Park JHS, arrgh.
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People have for sale signs because they want to get out before the neighborhood before it turns into another Borough Park!
The stores on Ave S are intended to be quick stop neighborhood stores (ie: Deli, nail salon, hardware store, dog groomer). What else do you want on Ave S? Let me guess some Glatt Kosher supermarket. And again, if you aren’t happy with the neighborhood move out. We like our neighborhood and if you don’t want to assimilate into it then go more to Brighton or Borough Park where you’d feel more at home.
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I must agree with AnonAnon, Ave S stores are dumpy and dirty looking. I can understand you being defensive Anonymous, but being a customer at these stores I agree to your use of “quick stop” as a description because I ran out of them very fast!
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This is what I don’t understand. If the homes in his neighborhood aren’t to your liking and you don’t like the stores; then why are you moving into this neighborhood. Find one that has bigger homes or is more architetucally to your liking. But you are moving in here and trying to take over the neighbordhood, when the residents who have been here for years are happy with it. You might say that you are improving the real estate value, which is fine and good if the REST of the residents were happy with how you are changing the look of the neighborhood. But those who aren’t Jewish and have lived here for years are happy with our neighbordhood. Don’t move here if you don’t like it as is.
Can someone explain to me the purpose of the bath house being built on the corner of 36th and Ave R?
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Dah, it is a Russian bath house, we like water.
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Sure doesn’t seem it…Q train gets stinky
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lol, that stink is from the working class
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marine park houses all have similiar designs, it has nothing to do with whether or not your jewish or russian or even rich. who cares. The house is just simply out of place on a street ligned with homes that are similiar.. i agree with the person who wrote why not just buy a bigger house… Im guessing that that house was recently bought as a fixer upper. i think that if it is a problem it is a problem concerning the neighbors on the block, not everyone in the neighborhood..
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The bottom line is the dollar, if you have the money you can buy anything you want, where you want, and fix it up the way you want. Get ready for big changes because the middle class working couples just ran out of options. Everything we need and use is going up, up up. Our pay is going down, i.e. Police Officer annual salary 25,000 per year. Try saving for a downpayment to buy a home in Marine Park, even with Mom and Dads help you still won’t qualify.
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And this is right around the corner from the double murder opn E33 bet Fillore & S, there goes the home values
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I have to agree with posters like Concerned Neighbor and Lifetime Resident who feel that the character of the neighborhood is being seriously diminished by the building of these monstrosities.
When we bought our homes, it was with the expectation of a certain amount of space and light, which is gradually disappearing. Some of you may think you’re raising our property values with your palaces, but property values only matter if you want to sell your home. I would prefer to stay and continue to raise my family here but it’s becoming more unpleasant every day. Four way stop signs and traffic lights on every corner, endless parades of school buses on every side street- this neighborhood used to be a pleasure, now it’s a mini- Boro Park. We were happy with things the way they were. If you aren’t, maybe you should have bought elsewhere.
Oh, and should you care to respond, Creastbay, please learn the rules of English and employ some punctuation. Your endless run-on sentence made me throw up my hands in despair. You lost me very early on.
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This isnt an engish test , you are just mad because i said the facts and showed them from property records ,your mad because your to poor to live in a real house marine park does not have those you could buy a house in the area for around 300k this one in particular in the realestate boom sold for 393k and i have a 4 year degree and am on my way to my masters unlike the uneducated people who live in marine park with no education working for the city and cannot afford to live in real sized homes
I am not jewish and your wrong this is not even close to a mini boro park and you schould hope more jews come in at least there will be homes that are of normal size mybe one day this will be a real area that people with money will live
and its people like you who were running from all the blacks again the jews stoped this knowing restate they would have been creeping up more and more south untill jews started buying the homes on p and quentin get the facts stright you know nothing
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@creastbay, “People like you running from all the blacks” ? My husband was baptized in Marine Park, we were married here, our children have spent their whole lives here. I’m not going anywhere and many of our neighbors feel the same way. We’re happy here even though our homes aren’t, according to you, “real-sized.” Many of us work for the city as police officers, firefighters, teachers- you dare to call these people uneducated? They built this beautiful neighborhood now being hungrily sucked up by people who can’t appreciate the character that’s already here.
I know nothing? Maybe when you get your Master’s, you’ll finally figure out the difference between your and you’re. My kids learned that in second grade at our wonderful neighborhood school, P.S. 222.
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NO People like you running from all the blacks I HAPPEN TO KNOW I WORK IN SELLING HOMES LICENCED BROKER PART TIME IT WAS A HUGH 2 FAMILY WHILETHE BLACK WERE COMING IN THATSWHY WE TRIED TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THE NEBOORHOOD WAS CHANGING FAST ONLY JEWS WERE WILING TO BUY SO YOUR400K DOLL HOUSE WOULD BE WORTH ABOUT 300K I SOLD A HOUSE ON AVENUE P FOR 365K AT THAT TIME WE THEY WERE MOVING IN AND YES YOU ARE RIGHT THEY ARE NOT UP TO CODE FATER IS A FORMAN BUILDS NEW HOMES EVEN IN BERGEN BEACH Many of us work for the city as police officers, firefighters, teachers THAT WHY YOU CAN ONLY LIVE IN MARINE PARK AND SEND THEMTO BAD SCHOOLS CAUSE ALL THE JOBS PAY NOTHING AND YOU DONT NEED SCHOOL FOR ANY EXCEPT TEACHERS WHICHS STILL MAKE NOTHING MY MOTHER IS ALSO A NURSE MAKING 100K A YEAR LETS JUST SAY I WENT TO RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS CHRISTIAN AND WE HAVE 4 BRAND NEW CARS AND A DRIVE WAY TO PUT THEM IN MY HOUSE IS BRAND NEW WITH 4 FLOORS NOT THOSE DUMPS YOU HAVE AND I DO KNOW HOW TO WRITE WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT MY WRITING IM WRITING THIS FAST YOU GOT PROBLEMS I HAVE DOCTORS JUDGES BE IN LAW RNS PEOPLE WHO DONT WORK AND JUST LIVE OFF RENTS WHO CAN LIVE IN A REAL NEBOORHOOD AND YES YOU KNOW NOTHING IM GOING TO NYU AND I WONT HAVE TO LIVE IN A SHIT HOUSE WHEN I GET OLDER THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRITING FOR SCHOOL AND AOL TALK WHAT DO U WANT PEOPLE TO STOP WRING LOL OR LAMO THEY DONT PUT ANYONE IN NYU AND THEY DID NOT HAND ME MY AA AND BA DEGREE SO IF YOU THINK I DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE WHEN I WANT YOU NO NOTHING MYBE YOU WENT TO 222 AND THATS WHY and for the record im the last person from italy left only jews here there is no black section here LOOK AT OUR PRICES AND YOURS
OUR AREA
Location
Primary address 1971 E 19 St
Zip 11229
Borough Brooklyn
Block & lot 07298-0062
First 3 alt addresses 1971 GARAGE E 19 St
1971 E 19 St
Neighborhood
School district 22 map/schools
Community board 15
Neighborhood Sheepshead Bay, Manhattan Beach, Kings Highway, Gravesend
City council 48 map
Census tract 0560.00
Nearest
Police precinct 61 web site/crime stats
Police station 2575 Coney Island Ave
Distance to 0.66 Miles
Fire station 901 Avenue U
Distance to 0.53 Miles
Property Tax Assessment
Actual land $12,111
Actual total $39,812
Tax class 1
Property Maps
Zoning map 29a
Tax map 32201
Sanborn map 314 023
Link to zoning map Click here
Link to tax map Click here
Most Recent Sale
Sale date 1/26/2008
Sale price $1,400,000
Location
Primary address 1817 E 18 St
Zip 11229
Borough Brooklyn
Block & lot 06824-0178
First 3 alt addresses 1817-1819 E 18 St
Building Conversion
Former Block & Lot 06824-0078
Property Report Click here
Neighborhood
School district 22 map/schools
Community board 15
Neighborhood Sheepshead Bay, Manhattan Beach, Kings Highway, Gravesend
City council 48 map
Census tract 0558.00
Nearest
Police precinct 61 web site/crime stats
Police station 2575 Coney Island Ave
Distance to 0.83 Miles
Fire station 1635 E 14 St
Distance to 0.34 Miles
Property Tax Assessment
Actual land $12,256
Actual total $43,944
Tax class 1
Property Maps
Zoning map 23b
Tax map 32010
Sanborn map 314 020
Link to zoning map Click here
Link to tax map Click here
Most Recent Sale
Sale date 8/15/2005
Sale price $1,175,000
Location
Primary address 1945 E 18 St
Zip 11229
Borough Brooklyn
Block & lot 07297-0069
First 3 alt addresses 1945 GARAGE E 18 St
1945 E 18 St
Neighborhood
School district 22 map/schools
Community board 15
Neighborhood Sheepshead Bay, Manhattan Beach, Kings Highway, Gravesend
City council 48 map
Census tract 0558.00
Nearest
Police precinct 61 web site/crime stats
Police station 2575 Coney Island Ave
Distance to 0.65 Miles
Fire station 901 Avenue U
Distance to 0.49 Miles
Property Tax Assessment
Actual land $9,666
Actual total $37,243
Tax class 1
Property Maps
Zoning map 29a
Tax map 32201
Sanborn map 314 023
Link to zoning map Click here
Link to tax map Click here
Most Recent Sale
Sale date 5/21/2008
Sale price $910,000
dont get mad your poor and have low paying jobs and cant live in a real arealets look at you area sales already no you send you kids to a bad school were he is white in a mostly black school because you cant afford it
YOUR AREA
Location
Primary address 1750 E 35 St
Zip 11234
Borough Brooklyn
Block & lot 07717-0074
First 3 alt addresses 1750 E 35 St
Neighborhood
School district 22 map/schools
Community board 18
Neighborhood Canarsie, Flatlands, Marine Park, Mill Basin, Bergen Beach
City council 46 map
Census tract 0656.00
Nearest
Police precinct 63 web site/crime stats
Police station 1842 Brooklyn Ave
Distance to 1.04 Miles
Fire station 1851 E 48 St
Distance to 0.46 Miles
Property Tax Assessment
Actual land $4,666
Actual total $16,920
Tax class 1
Property Maps
Zoning map 23b
Tax map 32305
Sanborn map 319 018
Link to zoning map Click here
Link to tax map Click here
Most Recent Sale
Sale date 7/13/2009
Sale price $310,000
Location
Primary address 1850 E 36 St
Zip 11234
Borough Brooklyn
Block & lot 08479-0070
First 3 alt addresses 1850 E 36 St
Neighborhood
School district 22 map/schools
Community board 18
Neighborhood Canarsie, Flatlands, Marine Park, Mill Basin, Bergen Beach
City council 46 map
Census tract 0656.00
Nearest
Police precinct 63 web site/crime stats
Police station 1842 Brooklyn Ave
Distance to 1.16 Miles
Fire station 1851 E 48 St
Distance to 0.37 Miles
Property Tax Assessment
Actual land $4,840
Actual total $16,670
Tax class 1
Property Maps
Zoning map 23b
Tax map 32503
Sanborn map 319 019
Link to zoning map Click here
Link to tax map Click here
Most Recent Sale
Sale date 7/16/2009
Sale price $375,000
only poor people who have low paying jobs here its not my fauly your poor dont take it out on me because i live in a real area and the people here have money
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@crestbay, What exactly is the point of showing us that some houses are worth more than others? Your post has nothing to do with the subject at all. The point is, this neighborhood was built with houses a certain size for a reason. The size of the streets, the availabilty of parking, etc. makes it unrealistic to crowd them with mansions.
As far as the money you’ll earn some day with your Master’s from NYU, again, what does that have to do with this subject? Your mother the RN who earns 100k is probably a wonderful woman but who would she call if her house were on fire? You, with your Master’s? A society can’t sustain itself with no one doing the work that keeps it moving.
You apparently lack the skills to carry on a discussion or to even recognize that you can’t. I won’t waste any more time on you.
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well you stayed on topic others did not thats why i was mad you write wonerful but i write like this online only you did not have to say I can not write when i passed all state test and got into a great school
you treated me with respect this time so you deserve to be treated the same way though i dont think i lack skills on staying on topic because no one realy stayed on topic much look at the other posts
and by the way I love marine park all my friends live there even though the homes are small there is no streat cleaning no driveways one thing you can say about this area is it has a strong sence of comunity and that is somthing no other place in brooklyn has not to mention there are no apartment buildings
my mother will be very happy you think she is a wondefull person thank you
good luck with the changes but jews are mostly staying on ave p and marine parkway and all the blocks before to the east that which carries the zip code 11229 because these two area only a few blocks had largers home as for everyone else its will stay the same jews could never fit there family in those smaller homes
even though you dont want to bother with me you are great at saying what one you mind like me( lol ) in case you dont no online that mean something funny talk to you later
creastbay
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creastbay, some words you might like to learn:
Street
sense
wonderful
community
neighborhood
etc..
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spell chack is good for that lol like said though i write with no care on online its a waste my time to not be able to write fast thanks for you helpfull words but like i told the laddy how did i pass all my state tests and and get in to grad school come on man
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I don’t care who comes into Marine Park as long they are good neighbors ie. keep their property up and not let it get run down, keep their teenagers under control and are mindful of the rights of others. Having said this, I don’t understand why the Orthodox are so disinclined to greet and mingle with people who are not like them. Why do they go to such great lenghts to avoid even saying good morning. On a mixed block why do the Orthodox not encourage their kids to play with differnet types of kids. You even see that divide at the park. It’s really a shame that there is such a distance between neighbors who live in such close proximity to each other.
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To comment to” grow up people” if this is next to you, would not like it. On any day come and sit in front of this house and see how many people who do not live on this block have a comment about how it looks, so unless you know for sure you should not comment at all
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I live around the corner from this disaster of a home, and like the other residents I too am upset by its over construction. The house has been an eyesore for years and the new owner has only made matters worse, with its out of proportion size and design. It pains me when I read that the new owner is merely a shady Jewish speculator hoping to make a quick buck by selling to a rich Jewish family. Isn’t that against the law? You cannot limit who can purchase a property that is offered for sale! How biased of this person to want to come into a wonderful and established neighborhood with the intention of changing its look and ethnic make up. How prejudicial! I have lived here for 44 years and Marine Park is one of the best, little known neighborhoods in all of NYC. I take offense that people are coming here wanting to “change” it in anyway. By all means buy here, improve your property without infringing on your neighbors, send your kids to the wonderful local schools, and take part in the rich community spirit that has kept families here for generations (mine has been here for 4). To those who are complaining I ask why move here if you are unhappy with what is available? By all means find an area that is a better fit for you and your family and leave Marine Park alone!
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Bravo, MarineParker, my sentiments exactly.
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I drive by this thing everyday. What’s going on with it? It looks like Dracula lives there.
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Nice work, neighbors! Because of our complaints the owner has stopped building. Now I have a bombed out home on my block. We would’ve been better off had he completed it…the house is falling apart!
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I could read through this thread, and sort out multiple statements of obvious discrimination. The Jews can chose their lifestyle. If you happen to drive through a Chinese area, or a Russian area, you will notice that their are many stores that have storefront windows written completely in their native language with absolutely no English translation. Their are multiple metro cards, which backings are only written in Spanish, and no one complains about it. As long as this house follows all the zoning laws, then I see absolutely no harm in building it. I have lived in this neighborhood for around 16 years, and frankly I am glad the Jews have moved in. I am upset that the prices of houses have gone up, but at least if I decide to sell my smallish sized house, I’ll get a good price for it. With all do respect, most of the Jews in the neighborhood happen to keep their front yard clean, except for the average bikes and kid toys. They tend to have neatly trimmed gardens, and clean curb sides. They might not take part vocally in the community, but that’s cause they send to separate schools, separate restaurants, separate cultures. I’m sure its hard for them to associate themselves with a community that sends to different schools, different synagogues and different cultures. These Jews keep to themselves in their community, and do not do anything to bother us, except practice their religion. Last time I checked, their was an amendment passed that states freedom of religion and practice.
Maybe the people of Marine Park should step back for a second, and think, are all these complaints directed to the fact that they are not joint members of the community, or are these complaints a cover up for clear anti-antisemitism.
Please respond, I would love to hear opinions on this issue.
~fellow Marine Parker
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being in an all jewish area i agree new homes more money
and you are 110 percent right they like us but we can not eat with them they cannot have burger king , pizza eat off our grill in the summer if they stay with our children they might want to live more free dress like us eat our foods living with them i know there concerns they want them to stay jewish as for the adults they will not convert to our way of living but there is to much in there day to stay with us an the food thing is a big deal religion is there whole life for us we are luckly if sunday is a holy day the people next door are so nice she could never eat our food but she baked us a cake it was great
in my case i had no friends growing up no one was at the door on halloween no lights at christmas no fireworls on 4th of july no partys ever so i went to stedmunds only christian school left i was there from pre k till end of high school i made my marine park friends there they all think my house is huge lol they make fun of the people who live here well just one guys which yells at us when we have partys i bring the fun here also im the only one with a pool and a dog beside one other family they named him oreo sometimes i wish i lived in marine park i could drink with my friends and walk home have block partys kids on halloween lights at christmas but then i say this area lacks a lot its has not much but comunity and all the homes look the same and im not trying to be mean but the average home there has 1000sf and i dont want to live in a lower class area (not the people the homes and money no drivways ) every area you must scrafice something for me its comunity for you its alot more
how do you think the jews feel how you are to them do they say you poor i saved the area you would have just moved if the blacks kept coming in not being racist just stating a fact
i told my neboor one time i wish i had comunity she said you can leave if we dont have comunity we have nothing the must walk on sat no car lights nothing they need to eat certin foods
in your case it sharing they only want p which you guys would have never wanted and marine parkway and all the blocks before to the east other then that look arond and lets be honest how can you fit 6 kids a mom and dad in the rest of marine park mybe one or two will by the average marine park home but its an exception not the rule so you will have your comunity and the will have theres in the two parts i told you about i wont say were i live but its in the teens two blocks from edmunds arond avenue r there are no sections here the comunity is jewish you have a mix and it will stay that way you have the biggest peace the jews and blacks have p and the other area i mentioned is jews
to be real the i know a friend on the block the house does look out of place all the other homes are small why not buy a bigger home my father being a builder i no you guys make things up because you dont no beter its is cheaper tp buy a biger home then a small one to extend you got permits buiders arcatects no ones trying to make a QUICK BUCK come one are you for real here
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I resent that any time someone disagrees with someone who is Jewish, they are automatically branded anti-Semitic. Explain to me how we are to welcome our new neighbors when one of the first things they do when they move into the community is form their *own* civic association which excludes us. Take a look at this website:
http://www.jccmp.org/index.html Don’t forget to click on the Financial Aid section just for fun. Do you feel welcome there? Were we to form our own Marine Park Christian Civic Association, what would we be called? What is the word for those that exclude us?
My neighbors have lived next door for about five years. They have never once in that time swept the front of their house. They put their garbage out for a family of five in supermarket shopping bags which, by the next day, are torn to shreds by animals and birds and decorating the block. If a dog owner doesn’t clean up after their animal in front of my neighbor’s house, it stays there until it petrifies or I pick it up. Yes, there are people of all groups who do this but our neighborhood was well-kept and that’s how we’ve been able to avoid alternates. This probably won’t last if our new neighbors expect the city to clean up after them as it does in other neighborhoods.
Recognizing differences in our cultures does not mean that we are anti-Semitic, just honest.
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Would a christian site involve jews ? What are you stupid? The area has no street cleaning and thats why the streets are dirty. What are you saying all the homes are clean dont singlMYBE e out the one JEWISH family on the block . Mybe if the people who lived here picked up thier dog shit it would not be in front of our homes
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@, Where to begin….I am far from stupid and at least I’m willing to stand behind what I say by using my own name. The point that I’m making is that if newcomers want to be welcomed into a neighborhood, perhaps they should not exclude themselves by starting a separate civic association. but instead become active members of the existing group. What about this don’t you understand?
Secondly, there have *never* been alternates in Marine Park and, until recently, they weren’t needed as the residents cleaned the streets in front of their own homes. When people move in expecting someone else to pick up after them, they are sure to be resented. If the streets become dirty as a result and the city institutes street cleaning, these will be the first people to complain about the lack of parking and the tickets that are written.
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Jews can not stay with you people as you call us . The people her make fun of are kids dont welcome us or the blacks in the area . Have you tried to talk to us , I know we have . Jews can not do more then say hello. GOD is are whole life , school is , food we can not eat with you . Have you called me over to make me welcome , no every one does want us or the blacks which is where we both are. I feel you are stupid ! what dont you understand we can not stay with you, we dont say we love god and not even go to church on sunday . GOD is our life and he would want us to be in peace !You not wanting no alternates make you racist . what dont you understand! Our house is clean and you saying we will be first to complian shows every one you are the one keeping us apart . I talk to all the blacks on the blocks they know you dont want them also. Go join the kkk thats a nice place for you ! you sound like a mean person you hate us why schould we try and talk to you
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@, I don’t know who you are but you are obviously not Jewish. If you were, you would know that the word God is not written in its entirety by Jews. Stop trying to stir up trouble and wasting everyone’s time.
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You are so stupid . I was tring to make words that you use because unlike you I espect other people! If i were talking to you i would for examle dad not abba . Yourtrying to stir up trouble and wasting everyone’s time! We all no you are a stupid racist !
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Thats your own name ! Anonymous is what we all are !
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LQuinlan Im sure that is your real name.
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Most of the Orthodox Jews who have moved into Marine Park came from Midwood or Boro Park, two neighborhoods that do not have civic associations. They formed their own association because no one from their new neighborhood ever told them there was a Marine Park Civic Assoc. Would it hurt terribly to knock on your neighbor’s door and say welcome.
Are you afraid your prejudices would turn out to be terribly wrong? Jews are taught as children to be tolerant of all people. It is the result of our history. You will find out your perceptions are completely wrong.
Dorothy
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Dorothy, I grew up in Boro Park and spent half my life in an Orthodox community. My perceptions are born of experience. Maybe your family raised you to be tolerant of all but you don’t speak for all Jewish people. To this day I remember playing in front of my house and having the cross ripped from neck and thrown on the ground by a “tolerant” cheder boy.
As far as civic associations, both exist in the Midwood & Boro Park neighborhoods and always have. When Orthodox families began to move into the community, it would have been very easy to ask the real estate agent, Lew Fidler’s office or a neighbor about community organizations but they chose to start their own to address only their needs. My neighbors have yet to shovel the walk on a snowy day or sweep the papers that blow in front of their house. They never acknowledge my holidays, though I have always recognized theirs.
For all those who may think otherwise, my real name is Louise Quinlan and I am known all over the Marine Park community. Feel free to say hello to me at a neighborhood civic meeting or Marine Park event.
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too close for comfort is a moron and anti-semitic
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Jews can not stay with you people as you call us . The people her make fun of are kids dont welcome us or the blacks in the area . Have you tried to talk to us , I know we have . Jews can not do more then say hello. GOD is are whole life , school is , food we can not eat with you . Have you called me over to make me welcome , no every one does want us or the blacks which is where we both are. I feel you are stupid ! what dont you understand we can not stay with you, we dont say we love god and not even go to church on sunday . GOD is our life and he would want us to be in peace !You not wanting no alternates make you racist . what dont you understand! Our house is clean and you saying we will be first to complian shows every one you are the one keeping us apart . I talk to all the blacks on the blocks they know you dont want them also. Go join the kkk thats a nice place for you ! you sound like a mean person you hate us why schould we try and talk to you .
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That replay was out for the wrong post sorry .
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The house on Fillmore in the pics is now abandoned and rotting away. What a shame.
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