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The Jirovec and Fortunato Defense aka the I’m from Gerritsen Beach Defense

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Both of these thugs are from the area, and I say “the area” because I don’t want to admit that they are from Gerritsen Beach.

Although they don’t represent Gerritsen Beach as a community, it seems like their defense strategies could be coined as the “I’m from Gerritsen Beach” Defense.

What the hell is going on? Is this a few bad eggs?

Does anyone remember after the first Jirovec incident that the police cracked down on our area? The police told the NY Times:

But the police tell a different story. They say the people of Gerritsen Beach have turned inward and wrapped themselves in silence. Deputy Inspector Michael J. Osgood, commanding officer of the Hate Crimes Task Force, said residents of areas where other racially charged episodes occurred — in Howard Beach, Queens; Mill Basin, Brooklyn; and Great Kills, Staten Island — had readily provided the investigators with useful tips.

But the more people in Gerritsen Beach are pressed for information, Inspector Osgood said, the more they shut down.

“The people in the community are refusing to speak to the N.Y.P.D.,” Inspector Osgood said. “We’ve never had this happen before in the city of New York.”

What do you think?

22 comments to The Jirovec and Fortunato Defense aka the I’m from Gerritsen Beach Defense

  • Anonymous

    Every time I read something like this it makes me mad but it also proves something I’ve been saying . Just because your parents buy or rent a house in the beach doesn’t mean your part of Gerritsen beach . Being raised here and living here are two different things . My question to them would be . are you a member of any of the organization here ? Do you belong to any of the club’ s. Have you ever served as a volley ? How you ever donated any time to your community? Do you respect your community ? . If you can’t answer yes to at least one of these , how can you say your from Gerritsen beach . The question was Did I think this was a problem , of course I do . every time someone say’s something like that it takes away from all of us .

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t Fortunato from Sheepshead Bay?

  • Mike

    I have only lived here for 4 years, but I am a lifelong resident of Brooklyn and growing up I remember the “bad ” reputation that Gerrittsen Beach had.whether it was “white trash” or ” Irish Riviera”, it wasnt until I moved here that I came to realize that this neighborhood is no better or worse than any other. I was raised in Bensonhurst and was there during the famous Al Sharpton march, and every citizen of that area was a racist EYE-talian. There are gonna be bad apples anywhere you go, it just so happens that the 2 incidents happened so close together and the Media loves to run with these things, anything that selss a paer or 2 more will suffice.
    And as for Inspector osgood’s remarks. I think that is a normal thing for people to refrain from making any statements, certainly we have seen it in other infamous incidents ( Sean Bell shooting) where no one comes forward so I dont think he should try to polarize us by throwing that statement out there as for MR. Jirovec and Mr Forunato,we dont know what they were thinking when they did these things, i personally dont know either one of them or their families and cannot even begin to offer an explanation for their actions.

  • Anonymous

    Quote ” Both of these thugs are from the area, and I say “the area” because I don’t want to admit that they are from Gerritsen Beach. Although they don’t represent Gerritsen Beach as a community, it seems like their defense strategies could be coined as the I’m from Gerritsen Beach” Defense. ” End Quote

    To Say Mr Jirvoec & Co aren’t from Gerritsen Beach & are just from the Area is wrong He may not represent the area but he does in fact Live Here. Residents who lived & still live here from the 60’s 70’s & the 80″s are guilty of much worse & they were adults who went without judgement for their actions at that time.

    Lets rewind time back to sometime back in the early 90’s I remember the Last Weed Stock Festival I attended here in GB & It was the first time a Black Dude ever stood up on the stage & sang a Rap Song.

    Imagine That a Rap Song from a Black Dude in GB at a Weed Stock Festival & No one was beaten up, No one got arrested but a lot of people had a lot to say about that.

    The next morning no one had anything to say about the people who BOO’ed the Rap Singer nor were they judged for their actions so I guess they weren’t from GB They were just from the Area Huh !

    Stop living in denial & accept what is fact – It is what it is ! – Now Let’s Fast forward back to today

    Why is it that when it comes to the now famous Mr Jirovec & Mr Fortunato the Media & 95% of the people who view & respond to this page automaitcly find the 2 defendants Guilty As Charged !

    I have come to learn that there are always 3 sides to every story, Their Side My Side & The Truth.

    Two of the sides will always be as the two sides perceive it to be & the truth will always be as it happened.

    In this case I have no idea how anyone will ever get to the bottom of what really happened since one side is claiming it was racially motivated & no real witnesses have come forward except for the Muslim kid who was involved in the fight & claims to be breaking it up.

    Hey wasn’t he paid $5000.00 by the Jewish Community. I think we all read that somewhere in the news papers ( RE: The NY Post )

    Is it not possible that if a White Person can have a Black Person as their best buddy then can’t a Jewish Person & a Muslim be good friends, Could the hero have actually been a Friend ? Hummm Sometimes it makes you wonder !

    Now My perception is, Is it not entirely possible that these Wonderful Jewish People Who can never do any wrong started this in the first place & Mr Jirovec & Company just reacted as typical young teenagers their age would in a hostile situation

    You people think about this. Every time A Black, Muslim or any other race is attacked it’s a racial incident
    If a Jew is attacked its Anti-Semitic. When a Synagogue is vandalized with Graffiti of any sort its a Bias incident but when a Catholic Church is vandalized & our statues are desecrated it’s called just an incident or a vandalism

    Now there’s something really wrong with that. There’s a real injustice here and I think unless something is done to correct this Hate Crime Law it’s going to get so out of hand that one day our jails will be at 80% population White, 20% Others with 60% of the white population serving time for some sort of hate crime charge
    .
    It’s going to come to the point where if your White & a person from another race says ” Hey they called me a name” just because they didn’t get their way you gonna get arrested for a hate crime

    The original ruling for the Hate Crime Law was to protect people against radical groups such as the KKK, Skin Heads & so on, not Teenage kids who beat up on each other in the streets & call one another names. It was supposed to protect them from being persecuted for their Race, Creed or Religion, somehow this law continues to be taken to the next level on a case by case incident

    Wake Up People, To Understand where the wave of things to come is headed take a Quick Drive Down Kings Hwy. Start at Ocean Ave & drive all the way to Stillwell Ave and then come back & tell me what you see, because I’ll tell you what I seen last night.

    On my drive down this wonderful Ave we all know of as Kings Hwy I seen some wonderful Holiday Decorations as generic as they may have been. One decoration was a strand of lights with a snow flake in the middle but I guess that’s what it does in the winter anyway so why not a snow flake & then every other strand of lights that spanned the Ave had a Menorah in the center of every one of them.

    On Kings Hwy before you get to Coney Island Ave in the Triangle located between E 12 and E 13 Streets was a Menorah that stood at least 12 to 16 feet High & Light up brighter that the Empire State Building on the 4th of July.

    There was no sign of the Little 5 Lb 2 once Baby Jesus or any of the Wise Men or the Two People who were supposed to be responsible for bringing the Little Baby Jesus into this world in the first place.
    Not one Snowman, Santa Claus, Rain Deer Nothing that resembled the Christmas Holiday anywhere

    I’ll Tell you one thing I won’t be spending anymore of my money on Kings Hwy anymore !!!!!

    Now Drive Down our Wonderful Gerritsen Ave there are Snowmen, Lights, Santa Claus, Rain Deer’s, Garland, Candy Canes & other decorations that make you feel as Christmas is upon us.

    So Who’s the racist’s here the people of Gerritsen beach who display Christmas decorations or the rest of the people in this world who say that the word God should be removed from our money, the people who accept our White Christian money in their stores all year long but won’t display one Christmas ornament during our holiday because of their religious beliefs.

    Wake up & stop beating up on some kids who are only crying out for Help & Guidance you people look at this as Mr Jirovec & Company as they are all animals & should get shot at the stake at dawn

    In a perfect world everything would be Black & White but we don’t live in a perfect world, Now do we !

  • Ginger

    @anonymous:

    “Now My perception is, Is it not entirely possible that these Wonderful Jewish People Who can never do any wrong started this in the first place & Mr Jirovec & Company just reacted as typical young teenagers their age would in a hostile situation”

    Sure, this is possible.

    The self-proclaimed Bloods gang member with a history of hate-based violence was put into a hostile situation by a group of jewish teenagers celebrating Hanukkah.

    Next you’ll say it was self defense.

  • Anonymous

    “Why is it that when it comes to the now famous Mr Jirovec & Mr Fortunato the Media & 95% of the people who view & respond to this page automaitcly find the 2 defendants Guilty As Charged !”

    Umm, would it have to do with the fact that both have been convicted of hate crimes?

    Nah… that can’t be THAT simple…

  • Anonymous

    Wow Ginger You really are a wealth of Knowledge.

    You have really enlightened me Thank God It’s all clear to me now

    So what your saying is being a self proclaimed ” Bloods Gang Member ” automatically makes you guilty of any sort of crime the cops & the legal system want’s to throw at you.

    Jewish People don’t commit Crimes ( White Collar, Blue Collar or Violent ) Next your gonna tell me you didn’t inhale in High School or Collage either if you even made it that far.

    I keep an open mind. I’m not closed minded because I do live in the real world & the color of the sky in my world is blue. To even think I might come up with the claims that it was self defense is retarded, I believe the two groups acted inappropriately & they should all be charged with Disorderly Conduct as well as Assault & Battery

    See I believe they did beat their a$$es but I also believe there’s more to the story other that these poor kids weren’t just getting on a train when Mr Jerovic & Co just jumped them & beat’em into the ground for no reason.

    Mr Adler or what ever his name is & his group of Celebrating friends were probably out at one of their many Jewish Only Night Spots in NYC Celebrating & had a little too much of their Holiday Wine. He could have been guilty of being stupid enough of engaging in conversation where it didn’t belong & just said the wrong thing or acted the wrong way but there’s more to the story.

    Yeah Their Such Wonderful People by his own admission his own kind wouldn’t stand up & help them out.

    Now when we begin to discuss Mr Adler & his affiliation to the Jewish Religion we need to ask what kind of Jewish Person is he because Jewish is just a religion not a nationality.

    To me he looks Israeli & aren’t they known to have Terrorist groups in their country & abroad so he might not be the peace loving Jewish man his looks make him out to be

    As for the Jewish people ( And Yeah I do mean The Real Religious Ones Too ) They Do Drink get Drunk Get Stupid and Start problems. They Cheat on their Spouses Both Women & Men & the Women are the worse not that the men are any better. They Start problems with their Neighbors if your not their kind just to get you to move so other Jewish families can move in but their not racist are they

    Get a life you need to drive past Gerritsen Ave & see what’s going on in this world beyond Ave W.

    The reply to
    “Why is it that when it comes to the now famous Mr Jirovec & Mr Fortunato the Media & 95% of the people who view & respond to this page automaitcly find the 2 defendants Guilty As Charged !”

    Umm, would it have to do with the fact that both have been convicted of hate crimes?

    Nah… that can’t be THAT simple…

    Nah It’s Not that simple but let us not forget the reason why Mr Jirovec was arrested in the first place.

    Four Black kids who live in Bushwick come to Marine Park to play basket ball & suddenly find themselves lost in GB at around 8 or 9 o’clock night. We all know how the snoop & scoop GB info around here works but Everyone would like us to believe the poor kids were just lost not that they were down here to steal bicycles or anything like that.

    So what happened to these poor kids did they just make a wrong turn into a block where a self proclaimed ” Bloods Gang Member ” seen black kids riding on their bikes minding their business & decide to beat them up & call them names

    I believe that the ” Bloods Gang ” is a Black Gang so I think that would or should rule out racial ya think but then again you are all so closed minded that you can’t see the forest thru the trees

    FYI – To Substantiate my claims that these Poor Jewish People are not so Innocent here are a few captions below from a web site for the Jewish Addiction Services

    Oh and by the way It’s for Jewish People Not Catholic

    To learn more about Jewish Addiction Services, please visit the Jewish Addiction Services web site by clicking here http://www.jbbl.org/content.asp?id=7 if the URL Don’t work copy & paste it into your browser

    ” Many of us find it hard to believe that Jews can suffer from a problem with alcohol or other drugs – but this disease does not discriminate. Addiction affects the young and the old, rich and poor, men and women.

    Jewish Addiction Services (JAS), a program of the Jewish Big Brother & Big Sister League is an outpatient treatment program for adolescents, adults and families suffering from alcohol, drug, or other addictions. ”

    Here’s another Jewish Site to help out those poor innocent People who can do no wrong http://www.jacsweb.org/
    This one is on how Jewish people avoid Alcohol problems
    http://tinyurl.com/2w27hy

    This was just two sites out of the couple of thousand that popped up in my search. There is even Domestic Violence Sites for the Jewish People. If this wasn’t a problem & Jewish people didn’t get drunk or high then they wouldn’t need sites like this

  • @Whoever you are:”See I believe they did beat their a$$es but I also believe there’s more to the story other that these poor kids weren’t just getting on a train when Mr Jerovic & Co just jumped them & beat’em into the ground for no reason.”

    Apparently you don’t know this kid. He punched a friend of mine in the face, and had to get stitches, because “He just had to punch someone”. Thats insane.

    Thats all I wanted to respond to.

    Although I do agree the hate crime law is being misused, in some cases.

  • Wil

    Hate Crimes are a hard thing now-a-days. Any name calling that can be racial or religiously said can be distinguished as a hate crime. And with the new urban culture that I (being 21) grew up with the “N” word and other terms that would be considered bias towards homosexuals are used on a regular basis. Hell, if some guy walks up to half my friends on the street and starts talking trash, my friends are likely to talk trash back, and if some racial things come out it’s because what other defense do we have against total strangers.

    Now I don’t know these kids, and I don’t know to much about the problem. but hate crimes to me is just negative propaganda that puts the minority in a better strength then the majority. Last December I was jumped on my block by four black kids, and they called me “Cracker” and “Whiteboy”, and when i called the cops two black cops came to my door, what was I supposed to do? Claim it was a hate crime? No, it was me walking down the wrong street at the wrong time, and had four people who happened to be fucking assholes want to beat the shit out of me, I don’t know if they were racially motivated or not, but i’m sure if i happened to be spanish they would’ve thrown spanish obscenities at me, and the same if I was black.

    All crimes are crimes of hate. That’s what the real problem is. We need to find the people who are really criminals and to be honest, send them to bootcamp and off to war, because if they “Just want to punch someone in the face” then they surely should have the balls to avenge our country.

    • The Voice of Reason

      Exactly! Hate crime is another excuse to help minorities in those kinds of situations..and I definitely feel as though the term “Hate Crime” should not even be used in the legal system; as the term is a hate crime in it of itself.

  • Gerritsen Girl

    You would never read such a story if they were from a black community, never, if such an article exists please post it.

    • Proof reader x2

      Gerritsen Girl Please shut up.You sound like a tard.

      • Gerritsen Girl

        Forst pf all, don’t tell me to shut up, I have as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else, if you don’t like it too bad. You should know what a “tard” those are what produced a jack off like you.

        I know, we have to be all PC, it is what it is my friend son/daughter of Tards or as they say in your language “DUH”!

  • The Voice of Reason

    To the People of Gerritsen Beach:
    Do not allow your neighborhood to be taken over. They are looking for an excuse to turn Gerritsen Beach into another neighborhood where English is the second language.

    • Anonymous

      Not to worry as long as smart people like gerritsen girl who knows what the true value of the neighborhood is, we are safe.

    • bagels

      Who’s “they”?

      • The Voice of Reason

        “They” ie: the government, the police, “uncle sam”, people who WANT gerritsen beach to be turned over to people who would pay better money to live on the water in a quieter neighborhood, NOT usual GB people who are raising families on a lower middle class income…

        that’s who THEY are…

  • bagels

    I love a good conspiracy theory.

  • Anonymous

    Isn't Fortunato from Sheepshead Bay?